<Also, what percentage outside influences (vacuums and forceps, etc.) have on tongue movement and palate shape I know not. But I have my suspicions.> Cheryl, I so agree with you!! I would say that about 60% of the babies I see daily in the hospital have dysfunctional suck in the beginning. Certainly more VE babies , and those who where suctioned, have problems but I do see many babies who were delivered totally naturally or without major intervention who exhibit the same disability. I start to question the overuse of ultrasound here in Israel. Most docs have the ultrasound in their clinics and moms want to "see" their babies every visit. Some babies may be ultrasounded as many as 20 times before they are born. Could this be causing suck problems? Esther Grunis, IBCLC Lis Maternity Hospital Tel Aviv, Israel *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html