Margaret Mikulska wrote: >I hate to be a spoil-sport, but the fact that the c-d-f-e motif occurs in >Mozart's first symphony (E flat, K 16) has been well known for many years. Are you really being a spoil sport? Pointing out that this isn't a new discovery (which was already made clear in Daniel's post -- perhaps in the 1870s or early 1880s it was a new discovery) doesn't make it any less interesting to me. How many people in this list knew that the c-d-f-e motif occurs in Mozart's first symphony? Did you know it a few months ago when the c-d-f-e motif was a hot topic on the list? Isn't it interesting that the motif appears in Mozart's first and last symphonies (even if Mozart didn't know that the Jupiter would be his last)? I know of another interesting instance where a composer used the same theme (not the c-d-f-e motif) in his first and last symphonies. This composer's first symphony is much better known than Mozart's first symphony, so this should be *very* well known. Alright, does anyone know who it is (or care :-)? Mike