Hi Dawn, I think you are on the right track. I think the best thing is to relax the pressure to accomplish the bf. Keep up the supply with the best pump, keep feeding the baby by whatever method is easiest (I do not recommend starving the baby into bf), and do a "babymoon" with lots of snuggling, sleeping together, kangaroo care. They can bathe together etc and if the baby goes for the breast, fine. I think it will come when baby is more comfortable and trusting. Some would suggest taking away nipples and cup feeding. I think this is a valid way of approaching this, but only if this would not overwhelm mom and if babe seems very capable and agreeable to cup feeding. It seems from your report, everyone is frustrated and tense. And the mother is reluctant to have another person try to get them to bf, and to suggest even one more plan of care. One other thing is to check for injury. You said baby was in a bad position and after 20 hrs labor, required c/s. Possible that some injury or soreness has occurred. Baby could be checked by a craniosacral person, chiropractor, MD, PT or anyone you know of who would be good at that. Good luck. Laurie Wheeler, IBCLC, MN, RN New Orleans Louisiana, s.e. USA _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html