Good luck! Nursing has been struggling with the same ideas since the 40s! I see certification as a continuum. I love what you said about some HCPs being in a time warp. Unfortunately so are some LLLLs, IBCLCs, LCEs, CLCs etc :-( Everyone needs to look at where they begin, as the beginning! not the end of their life long education. Being a counselor of any sort is a process, not something you learn once and are done. And experience plays a large role in our educational process. (when I think of what I used to say 30+ years ago as a raw leader I cringe :-) But I learned, evolved and changed and I'm still learning, evolving and changing :-) Sincerely, Pat in SNJ *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html