martha, congratulations on moving over to the LC staff. sounds like a nice change. the reason i brought this up was probably because i had yet another visit with yet another mom who had been taught to shove on her baby's chin to "make" him open his mouth. i was reflecting on the fact that i never do this. never! if a baby needs to have pressure on his chin to open, then to me there is something else wrong that needs fixing. i do see oral aversion that seems to stem from this sort of interaction with the baby (rough bottle feeding, holding the head, etc.). what made me curious about this is, if this is such a widely used technique, then where is it described in what we might consider the primary teaching materials we use? if it isn't described as a reasonable approach to fixing a latch in R & A then where is it? why is everyone doing this? and is it possible to always do this in a way that does no harm? if so, then why ISN'T in one of our favorite texts? carol brussel IBCLC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html