Chris Bonds writes: >>This definition [my def, of music] would include bird calls. > >So you're saying birds can be composers? > >When a bird sings its song that's not music. >When a composer (e.g. Messiaen) notates it and puts it in a piece, that's >music I would expect that a lot of people on the list would disagree. >I don't call animal sounds music because we as yet have no way to tell >if the animals themselves have a concept of music, nor do we have any way >to distinguish which sounds an animal considers "routine" signalling or >conversation and which it considers "special," which you will recall (if >you read my previous posts on the subject) I consider an essential part >of music's definition. Well first, just becaure we don't understand it does not mean its not music, and, I have not seen your definition (maybe before I was on the list) but I would like to see it (seriously). You may send it to me privately if you want to avoid the onslought I am suffering through:-) Bill Pirkle