John Edwards wrote: <This seems to be a fairly complicated situation - here is what I found by dipping into S.E. McGregor's "Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants", which we maintain and update on our website. You may access it directly at http://198.22.133.109/book/index.html -This excerpt is from Chapter 5, Legumes and Relatives.> Yo John: I am familiar with the data you cite above and have wondered about a couple of the research results that might affect broad bean pollination when attempted under different conditions than which the tests conducted. Please understand, I make no claim of being an expert on either bees or broad beans; I am only commenting on what we have personally observed here in our plant hybridizing nursery, under the conditions and climate where we operate. I'm trying to muddle through this like everyone else... :) First of all, the data cites evidence that honey bees worked broad beans mainly, if not exclusively, for the pollen - not nectar. Next, the tests were conducted with caged bees. We have many different flowers in bloom throughout the season and the bees very well could be working a different bloom that they prefer during the bean blossoming period. If the bees were confined to beans only, or had nothing else available to provide pollen when the broad beans were blooming, then they very well could work the beans. Finally, whenever we are faced with poor production with any plant we first look to the seed source. We have found over the years that much commercial seed, especially that sold to small home gardeners, is inferior. The age of the seed and the amount of line breeding (read inbreeding) will have a direct bearing on the final product. IMHO, the most insightful information provided on the broad bean site is that which indicates that after several generations of self-pollination (inbreeding) germination is adversely affected. Cross pollination (hybridizing) of the parent plant will have a positive effect on the viability of the seed you are planting. Pollination of the plant you are growing, be it by honey bees, native pollinators, wind or hand, will only have a bearing on production if you have a plant capable of being productive to begin with... Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock