Dear Kathy, New moms are the rawest form of beginners that there is! And yes, they need/crave/depend on numbers. We just have to make the guidelines loose enough to not scare the wits out of her, but at the same time specific so mom knows when it's not enough. Some moms like a sheet to keep track on, very reassuring, especially for first time moms. I always use the line "what goes in, must come out" so they get the idea that by looking at output we can judge input. Sincerely, Pat in SNJ *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html