Satoshi Akima <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>>>So even here [with Stravinsky] there can be no mindless formulae such
>>>as 'stop interpreting and just play the notes of the score'.
>>Perhaps that is why no one has made it.
>Unfortunately this is PRECISELY what Stravinsky does say in his 'Poetics
>of Music' and in doing so definitively sets the mood of the entire 20-21st
>century musical performance Zeitgeist of textual literalism!
You misinterpret. I meant no one on this thread has made that argument.
>Correct me if I misrepresent you but unless I have misunderstood, the
>argument had been that if a repeat sign is to be found in black and white
>in the text that it MUST be observed in order to maintain the principle of
>absolute textual fidelity, with the failure to observe this principle being
>tantamount to vandalisation of the score. Surely this concords PERFECTLY
>with the principle of textual literalism of the sort outlined by
I do not know the context of the Stravinsky quote, so I really do not feel
competent to comment on it, other than the fact that observing the repeat
sign is not tantamount 'stop interpreting and just play the notes of the
>After all where did Schubert, Brahms, Beethoven ever say that non-textural
>elements such as vibrato, rubato are allowed in performance of their
>scores. Mozart certainly hated vibrato for one. And even if one composer
>allowed it why is that proof that it is allowed with the next composer?
>I appreciate that repeats may be justified on the basis of other
>considerations but unfortunately Jocelyn's arguments have always
>sounded to me like an appeal to the principle of textual literalism.
You create a straw-man version of my argument. As has been noted numerous
times elsewhere by me and others, these other elements are quite distinct
from the repeat sign. I will not unnecessarily inflate the length of this
response by reiterating the whole argument here, but, rather, take my turn
to say, "Check the archives."
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