Learned this weekend: "Perfectionism is a disease. Don't strive for it; 
strive for excellence." I like that!

Bye,

Marianne Vanderveen IBCLC, Netherlands (and sooo busy that she is adopting 
the Pat Young-style: short and to the point... hahaha!)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Diane Wiessinger" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [LACTNET] lip position


> >I understand the need to create a decent seal, but can't this be done 
> >with
> lips that aren't completely rolled outward?
>
>
>
> I'd say the lips aren't important in the least.  Provided:
>
> 1.       there's good milk transfer
>
> 2.       the mother's comfortable (nipples and body)
>
> 3.       the baby's comfortable.
>
> I once tried to find experienced mothers with newborns so I could film 
> their
> positioning.  In my ignorance, I gave up because they all had terrible
> positions, mouth included.  In fact, of course, I was seeing the wide 
> range
> of normal - children and mothers compensating brilliantly for mouth
> variations, milk variations, body variations.
>
> My favorite was the woman who brought her fat-as-a-sausage baby to me
> because he rolled his lower lip in.  "Is he thriving?" "Yes."  "Are you
> having any discomfort at all?"  "No."  "Well then it doesn't matter." 
> "Yes,
> but the books all show that lower lip rolled out, and I can't get him to
> roll it out."  "Is he thriving?" "Yes."  "Are you having any discomfort?"
> "No."  "Well then it doesn't matter."  I never fully convinced her.  As a
> toddler, he was still nursing, still fat as a sausage, still rolling his
> lower lip in.
>
> Of course, if it's a problem, then it's a problem.  But take a look at how
> we all hold our pens, and how we're *supposed* to hold them..  My 4th 
> grade
> teacher could never get me to do it "right", but 50 years later it's still
> working for me.  As Catherine Watson Genna says, "We don't have to be
> perfect, we just have to be good enough."
>
>
>
> Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC, LLLL  Ithaca, NY  USA
>
> www.normalfed.com
>
>
>
>
>
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