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Eric,
I didn't know you had it in you! I love your reaction and analysis. It reminds a little bit of one commentators remarks in response to E.O. Wilson's Consilience Conference remarks. The cat fur can fly fur.
Glad you enjoyed it,
C
On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:04 PM, Eric Siegel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> sorry, what a load of crap that is. This is so dopey as to raise the question of whether the science is a caricature of reductionism or that the writer of the article misinterpreted it. The idea that bird song is not song because it doesn't fit western pitch systems (as the scientist apparently defines defines them as chromatic, pentatonic, and diatonic) is simply bizarre.
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> "But the study has convinced him that nightingale wrens do not follow Western musical scales. That doesn't mean their songs are meaningless, he says, "it's just not human song."'
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> It probably goes without saying here that there are many many human songs that do not follow western musical scales. There are many other scales and pitch systems that use notes that don't fall within the western scale system, including a considerable amount of western music (try notating the vocal part of Superbad by James Brown or Ascension by John Coltrane or using western pitch systems to notate harry partch and his many microtonal followers). A huge percentage of the worlds music is not based on western pitch systems, and even more of it is not based on european harmonic systems. There are even human songs where the exact pitches are not really the point, but rather the contour of the pitches.
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> As an antidote to this reductionist and misinformed article, I would recommend David Rothenberg's "Why Birds Sing" or his most recent book "The Survival of the Beautiful."
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> This kind of thing just frosts me.
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>> The songs still sound good to me!
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