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Actually, it probably doesn't matter whether a response is predictable or not. One has to assume that if it's communicated over the Internet to as large a distribution as we are, any response will be known outside the List almost as soon as it's decided upon. 
 
Charlie
Charles Stout
Media Arts Manager
Ann Arbor Hands-On Museum
 
(In what year did Winston Smith die?)
 
-----Original Message-----
From: (Charles Stout) <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:04:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Science and Evolution Statement: Drafting Committee?


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Eric:
 
No. You actually misunderstand my concerns by inferring outcomes that I have not 
yet conceived. Nor are my comments derived from my institution. Actually, this 
is how I spent a trade day, so I decided to converse with my larger group of 
colleagues.
 
My concern is that no one in this discussion seems to be thinking about what the 
result of nationally or globally published or posted statements will be other 
than 1) we will make a principled stand and feel better or 2) there will be 
negative consequences from press or Right Wing interest groups, which seems to 
be expected and O.K. (And does "global" even apply? or just USA?) Also, another 
concern is that the plan of action is reactive, without looking deeply at 
possible outcomes (good or bad) and therefore not developing either obvious or 
potential goals. Nor are we thinking about more effective strategies for 
reaching and connecting with the public. A statement posted at our doors may 
make us feel better, but won't have the effect of a concerted use of press, 
Internet, print and broadcast media -- or even doing a more effective job of 
what we already do.
 
Mostly, what I see us talking about is rolling up our sleeves and thrashing 
around in the playground. In a political wrestling match, it isn't just who's 
right (with a small r) that wins. Sorry, but Edward R. Murrow didn't take the 
breath our of McCarthy just because he was right -- he carried a granite club 
the size of the number one news network and he struck after McCarthy overreached 
and weakened his position. One of the things that's attractive about working in 
a science center or research institution is the thinking and stretching involved 
in what we take to the public. I don't see that level of thinking in this 
discussion. 
 
What I see is something I've experienced a few times from early in my career: 
start with a predictable reaction to a problem, the opposition responds and 
escalates, respond and escalate in a predictble way, the opposition responds and 
escalates, etc. You play their game, you play by their rules, you get bloodied 
and lose (one of these was the end of an appointment for a scholar who couldn't 
agree with the review committee about evidence for mitochondrial Eve among other 
things, so the evolution raged). My personal assessment of the planned statement 
is that it will have little effect one way or the other -- maybe make us feel 
we've done something and provide a little more fodder for social conservative 
op/ed pieces, but they have plenty already. So, the question then is what will 
we do next, and next, and next?
 
To have any effect requires thinking, a plan to win (hearts and minds, 
whatever), and what we plan to do with the "victory" (generate more critical 
thinking, teach more science, raise awareness about the social context in which 
science opperates). Jonah's recent closing comment -- "I only wish we were that 
powerful" -- was right on target and completely off: I'm absolutely sure, we 
have tremendous assets and power, which we truly need to succeed. But we (myself 
included) haven't given anywhere near enough thought to how powerful we are or 
how to use our assets effectively. For crying out loud, look at the assets we 
have just on our advisory and trustee boards: what parts of the community can 
they carry messages to? how can they help us frame a response to reach the 
consituencies they represent. 
 
For me, the individual, there is a higher purpose -- taking science, the process 
of unsterstanding phenomena, and making it accessible and attractive to the 
public. I sure would like to see more for all the emotion and effort being 
expressed in this string... 
 
(... a vision statement and a strategic plan -- which might very well include 
the statement that is being drafted -- goals, anticipated outcomes and 
contingencies.)
 
Best to all and good night,
 
Charlie
Charles Stout
Media Arts Manager
Ann Arbor Hands-On Museum
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Siegel <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:55:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Science and Evolution Statement: Drafting Committee?


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Hi, Charlie: 
 
I'm not sure I understand your concern, but let me try to rephrase it, and let 
me know if I am accurate. You think it is OK to draft a statement (or at least 
not un-OK), but you are worried about the negative effect such a statement might 
have on your science center if the media gets a hold of it? 
 
If I do understand your concern correctly, I am sorry to hear that Ann Arbor is 
yet one more place where you have to be worried that a carefully modulated 
statement of support for the theory of evolution will cause you to go "down in a 
blaze of glory." It must have changed a lot since I was an undergraduate there. 
If I misunderstand (as often happens with email exchanges) please clarify when 
you get a chance. 
 
A second concern you express--I think-- is about the efficacy of such a 
statement in isolation from a larger strategic plan to address this issue. I 
agree that we could craft a larger strategy to have a greater impact. However, 
deferring an action until there is a "higher level discussion of strategy and 
tactics" reminds me of the old brit com "Yes Minister" in which the civil 
servant is always finding plausible sounding reasons not to do something. I 
learned a great deal from that show that has helped me in my quarter century in 
the museum racket ;^). 
 
Eric Siegel 
Executive VP 
  Programs and Planning 
NY Hall of Science 
47-01 111th Street 
Queens, NY 11368 
www.nyscience.org 
On Apr 14, 2005, at 11:28 AM, (Charles Stout) wrote: 
 
> ISEN-ASTC-L is a service of the Association of Science-Technology > Centers 
> Incorporated, a worldwide network of science museums and related > 
institutions. 
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> 
> Eric, Clifford et al.: 
> 
> I wouldn't suggest that you (or some collaborative of we) should not > draft a 
statement ON(as opposed to ABOUT) evolution, but I have > reservations about the 
effect and effectiveness any such statement > might have without a higher level 
discussion of strategy and tactics. 
> 
> Refering back to Phil's message of earlier today, the statement is > reactive 
and political by intent. These aren't bad reasons to write it > and post it 
prominantly. But they are reasons to look at the stratgies > and tactics used by 
those we would be reacting to. By and large, > political debate is in the media, 
and science centers generally and > collectively have a great deal of access to 
media and therefore to > reading, viewing and listening populations long before 
they ever reach > our doorsteps to read the statement. We should want to look at 
> scenarios of desired and likely outcomes for actions we take in regard > to 
our statements as well as our actions and programming. 
> 
> I think these larger issues might provide the framework for a > concerted 
strategic plan that could frame any statement and also serve > to focus and 
coordinate other efforts -- because other efforts will be > required. One 
assumes that we all have a passionate desire to provide > science information 
and experiences in perpetuity rather than going > down in a blaze of glory. 
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> Charlie 
> 
> Charles Stout 
> Media Arts Manager 
> Ann Arbor Hands-On Museum 
> Ann Arbor, MI 
 
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