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Once John Cage enters the argument, all bets are off. Or at least if you see the numbers 4'33 the discussion will run off the rails. I love his compositions, his ideas of chance, and also his wonderful conception that if you put a bracket around a period of time (4'33) it becomes music. It is very science museum-ish, encouraging people to open ended exploration.
Eric
On Aug 17, 2012, at 12:06 PM, James Bell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> May I add to the mix John Cage's assertion that music is a succession of sounds and the composer the "organizer of sounds." (Do birds 'organize' their vocalizations? I'd say so.)
> Traditionally, music has been thought of as a communication of feelings, but Cage argues that all sounds have this potential for conveying feeling in the mechanical and electronic sense. As he puts it in the essay "History of Experimental Music in the United States": "Debussy said quite some time ago, 'Any sounds in any combination and in any succession are henceforth free to be used in a musical continuity.'"
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> Loved Eric's rebuttal. I'd like to offer another rebuttal, from a different direction: the logic of the marketplace and the lexicon.
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> What is music isn't only a possible scientific question, or even only a musicological question. Music is what people define as music by being willing to pay for it under the label of music. Now if you pay good money to go to a concert containing Respighi's hugely popular "The Pines of Rome," you get to hear a recorded nightingale as a central part of the music, some might say as the featured part. So the nightingale's vocalization is regarded as music in the marketplace. QED.
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> Plus a great deal of what is universally recognized as music is inspired by, and makes use of, sound phrases from birds, as diverse as Stavinsky's Le chant du rossingol (the Song of the Nightingale) to Maria Schneider's grammy-winning big band jazz compositions. I happen to know and love Maria's work because she is a fellow member of the administrative board of the Cornell Laboratory of Ornithology. She calls those sounds "bird songs." QED again.
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