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Stephan,  I agree with your statements.  thanks for sharing them.

Max Scharfenberger
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Subject: Re: ASTC and evolution


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Bonnie, distinguished list members -

It seems to me that there is an underlying disease of which the 
controversy over evolution and creationism is a symptom. It is confusion 
in the public understanding of science. By this I mean, not the 
understanding of scientific concepts or topics, whether simple or 
complex (the noun): but rather, the understanding of science, the 
process for seeking causation and unifying, testable principles of 
reason (the verb).

(now here's where I get flamed) Science, as the seeking of facts in 
nature, has over the centuries, likely proved equally 'wrong' as it has 
proved 'right.' By "going to the mat" over who has proprietary dominion 
over truth, science opens itself up to the criticism of those from other 
paradigms (my truth is better than your truth). But whether science is 
the "truth" (whatever that is) is really not, as I see it, the core 
problem in the evolution-creationism argument. Science is a way to 
understand nature. Evolution is a scientific concept which has used the 
technique of science to validate itself.

Creationism is NOT science, it is theology. Theology is a different way 
of understanding nature. It uses different methods than science to 
validate itself. Because the two are different paradigms, they simply do 
not relate to each other: in Thomas Kuhn's perspective, "different 
gestalt(s)." One is mutually exclusive of the other. We are, arguably, 
at a point where it is pretty clear what is science and what is not, so 
it should not be hard for this distinction to be made.

That being said, perhaps if we focus on getting people to better 
understand what scientific inquiry is, and why it is different than 
theology/religion, then it will be obvious why creationism has nothing 
to do with science. Every time the issue comes up, it is time to 
educate, not pontificate (which we do when we go on about how much 
better, more important, closer to the truth, etc., science is than 
religion). It might also have the benefit of relieving us of a whole 
pantheon of pseudo-scientific notions which plague those who try to 
teach science and end up being challenged by those who obviously do not 
understand what science is.

It strikes me that we need to do a better job of teaching kids to be 
critical thinkers and be somewhat skeptical, as well as to help them 
find ways to test their beliefs in ways which fit into the framework of 
science (because we have clearly defined what the boundary of that 
framework is).

Let the flaming begin.



Bonnie VanDorn wrote:

> ISEN-ASTC-L is a service of the Association of Science-Technology Centers
> Incorporated, a worldwide network of science museums and related institutions.
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> 
> Dear Informal Science Educators:
> 
> As you know, our field has been abuzz since an article appeared in the New
> York Times on March 19 asserting that "several Imax theaters, including some
> in science museums, are refusing to show movies that mention evolution-or
> the Big Bang or the geology of the earth-fearing protests from people who
> object to films that contradict biblical descriptions of the origin of Earth
> and its creatures." During the days that followed the publication of this
> article, more stories and opinion pieces appeared in other media. 
> 
> ASTC has been following these developments closely and has been in touch
> with member museums and other organizations that share our dedication to
> science learning. As an organization of science centers and museums
> dedicated to furthering the public understanding of science among
> increasingly diverse audiences, ASTC supports our members in their ongoing
> educational work. Evolution is a major unifying concept of modern biology,
> and as such holds an important place in efforts to broaden interest in and
> understanding of science.
> 
> We welcome the discussion that has taken place on ISEN-ASTC-L. In addition
> to being the field's most lively forum for discussion, the listserv and its
> archive have proved to be an invaluable resource for science center
> professionals who sought a central place to congregate, react, and
> strategize while crafting a response to what appeared in the Times and
> elsewhere.
> 
> We are also creating a place to talk about the issue at our May 1-2 Board
> retreat; heads of all ASTC Governing Members are invited to attend. ASTC is
> also working with the American Association for the Advancement of Science
> (AAAS) and others to create opportunities to address this issue at the 2005
> ASTC Annual Conference. We continue to look for additional ways to address
> the issue, which clearly is part of a larger continuing concern, and to
> support members in their educational work. 
> 
> Bonnie VanDorn
> Executive Director
> Association of Science-Technology Centers 
> 
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