I do not think that Boyer's comment was meant in that spirit. New Orleans, 
of course, will not be abandoned. It will be rebuilt
and reoccupied. It is fortunate that the historic district seems to be in 
fairly good shape as that is the economic engine that
will keep New Orleans going in the future. After things are back together 
the SHA should give serious consideration to going
to New Orleans for a future annual conference as soon as possible. We met 
there once before (year?) and the historic city and especially the people 
of New Orleans were wonderful.

                                                                 Bob Schuyler

At 02:21 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:
>I can't afford thoughts like this while people are still
>stranded and dying in their attics as we write.  See the local
>paper's website www.nola.com, if you want to know how truly
>horrendous the local scene continues to be.
>
>I don't want the analytical distance I bring to the study of
>the past to carry over into how I relate to breathing human
>beings in the present. But maybe that's just me.
>
>Callousness like this makes me want to abandon archaeology,
>not New Orleans.
>
>---- Original message ----
> >Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:29:15 -0600
> >From: "Boyer, Jeffrey, DCA" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Just a thought . . .
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >Leaving aside personal feelings about The Big Easy (I think
>it was Kris Hirst who said, early in this event, that New
>Orleans is a city unafraid to reveal itself) . . . were it not
>for abandonment, we archaeologists would have pretty much
>nothing to do.  Imagine how fascinating for our
>great-great-grandchildren-in-the-field to examine the
>historical records and the historical archaeology (and the
>notoriety) of New Orleans.  Imagine the archival and material
>information on population movement and
>absorption/assimilation.  Please understand: not a death wish
>for the city or its residents -- I would really like to sit in
>the Quarter and eat barbecued shrimp and beignets (sp?).  Just
>a thought . . .
> >
> >Jeffrey L. Boyer, RPA
> >Office of Archaeological Studies
> >P.O. Box 2087
> >Santa Fe, New Mexico  87504
> >tel: 505.827.6343
> >fax: 505.827.3904
> >e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY on behalf of David Babson
> >Sent: Sun 9/4/2005 10:17 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Hurricane damage
> >
> >
> >
> >I have seen several newspaper op-eds, and heard opinions from
>a few
> >associates (not archaeologists) that New Orleans SHOULD be
>abandoned,
> >because it is "not a sustainable city," being too low, and
>that taxpayer
> >dollars should not be wasted perpetuating a mistake begun by
>the French
> >(one of the usual suspects, of course) 300 years ago.  They
>do want to
> >keep the port and the French Quarter (under a dome, and suitably
> >Disneified, I presume), since the economy and its wealthiest
> >beneficiaries MUST be served.  After all, they were able to
>skedaddle
> >before the looting, and presumably will continue to be able
>to do so,
> >even when gas reaches $15.00/gallon.  Leaving aside the fact
>that much
> >of this is the usual garbage from bigots and bluenoses who
>have never
> >liked new Orleans (too Black, too gay, too drunk, and,
>probably, having
> >too much fun), would a failure to rebuild New Orleans be a
>sign of
> >social recession, of the sort that accompanies a declining
>society?
> >This is one of the classic problems in archaeology, studying past
> >social, economic and cultural collapses--classical Mediterranean
> >civilizations in the early-to middle part of the first
>millennium CE,
> >the classic Maya, Norse Greenland, etc., and, of course, one
>of the
> >archaeological markers of these processes is abandoned
>cities.  This
> >comes a bit too close to using archaeology in prediction,
>something we
> >pay lip service too, but generally avoid, as it is so
>uncertain.  But,
> >if we come to seriously consider abandonment of the
>30th-largest city
> >(this is a city-limits population rank from 2000 census data from
> >Google--I think the entire metropolitan area must be larger),
>then where
> >are we, as a nation?
> >
> >D. Babson.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of
> >Robert L. Schuyler
> >Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 4:09 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Hurricane damage
> >
> >I want to second the "thanks" to Shannon Dawdy for an
>excellent precis
> >on
> >what has happened in New Orleans and the region.
> >I also think that some discussion of the disaster beyond
>archaeology per
> >se
> >is not completely out of line in HISTARCH but
> >Anita does have to rein us all back in now and then ...
> >
> >Back to Archaeology:
> >
> >         (1) How many times since its founding has New
>Orleans been hit
> >by
> >major hurricanes?
> >
> >         (2) Do these events leave a recognizable trace in the
> >archaeological record?  I assume it would be mass
> >                 dumping of buildings etc. in pits after
>clean-up and
> >rebuilding. A destruction layer?
> >
> >         (3) Did major hurricanes cause real shifts in the
>culture of
> >New
> >Orleans; that is, did the population as a
> >                 result swing way up or down and did the ethnic
> >composition
> >of the city change as a result?
> >                 [If I went through one of these "events" I
>think I
> >would,
> >like General Butler, be headed back
> >                 north.]
> >
> >                                                         Bob
>Schuyler
> >
> >At 01:26 AM 9/2/2005, you wrote:
> >> >From New Orleans North:
> >>
> >>The human tragedy is immense, and of course we must
> >>immediately do what we can to stave it.  It will take weeks
> >>before we know what flooding has done, and the news reports
> >>are spotty and hard to trust as to the extent and geography of
> >>the water damage.
> >>
> >>However, the oldest notarial records are actually in a vault
> >>on the fifth floor of a large office building and are probably
> >>safe. Across the street in the basement were the late
> >>19th-century through 20th century notarial acts, which may be
> >>decimated, as would be the mortgage and conveyance books
> >>dating from the 1820s that include a wealth of information on
> >>slavery.  Still, staff members did know the value of these old
> >>dusty books and it is possible they had a couple hours to move
> >>them to higher floors before they evacuated.
> >>
> >>Collections at Tulane, UNO, the Public Library and the
> >>Louisiana State Museum are all elevated at least one tall
> >>floor.  The Historic New Orleans Collection was in the process
> >>of building a new archive storage facility to protect their
> >>collections, so I am a little worried about those.  The State
> >>Museum, which was badly funded to begin with, will be
> >>hard-pressed to conserve their 10,000 irreplaceable 18th
> >>century documents from the French period if there is water
> >>exposure through window breaks or leaks.  The best that could
> >>be done in that case is to put political pressure on the state
> >>to transfer custodial care.  Same I would say with the Public
> >>Library's wonderful collection (the building is modernist with
> >>glass walls, so I am a bit worried).
> >>
> >>My understanding is that there was some ground-floor flooding
> >>in the French Quarter and certainly some looting of contents,
> >>but that most of the structures there stood up fairly well --
> >>after all, they've been through quite a few of these. Same is
> >>true of the Garden District. I am still waiting to hear
> >>specifics, though, on sites such as Madame John's Legacy, the
> >>Ursuline Convent, or Pitot House, which some of you have asked
> >>me about.
> >>
> >>But little do people realize that the historic value of the
> >>hard-hit lower 9th ward and the neighborhood of Holy Cross was
> >>tremendous as an extensive community of small, lower income
> >>shotgun houses from the 19th century largely spared the 'urban
> >>renewal' of the 20th century.  Still, I'd lose all those
> >>houses again in exchange for one of the lives lost within them.
> >>
> >>Unfortunately, the political geography of the past will
> >>probably dictate historic preservation in the future.  Since
> >>its founding, the wealthy in New Orleans have crowded their
> >>estates and townhouses along the high ground of the natural
> >>levees, leaving the swampy swales to the poor.  So all those
> >>mansions and fancy townhouses valued by tour guides and
> >>blue-haired architectural boards are probably in relatively
> >>decent shape, but they will also receive the lion's share of
> >>reconstruction assistance.
> >>
> >>Many of the quaint cottages of the largely black 'back of
> >>town'neighborhoods may be wiped out, either because they were
> >>heavily damaged if next to the levee breaks, or because even
> >>with minor damage they will be last on the list of priorities
> >>for repair or preservation.  But will anyone care?  These are
> >>not neighborhoods where tourists are funneled. And the human
> >>loss there may make it difficult to focus on preserving a now
> >>painful past.
> >>
> >>Archaeologically, floods caused by levee breaks actually help
> >>protect urban sites unless they are actively being excavated,
> >>so I can't really be concerned about those. Rebuilding efforts
> >>will likely do greater damage than the hurricane itself. Great
> >>loss, however, has probably occured in the Barataria, Lake
> >>Borgne and barrier island areas due to the storm surge.
> >>
> >>All this talk of abandoning New Orleans, the "loss of New
> >>Orleans" or its cultural heritage that I am reading in the
> >>media is causing a second kind of heartbreak.  We need hope,
> >>ambition, and a hell of a lot of help, not pessimism and
> >>abandonment.  New Orleans, I think it is safe to say, is a
> >>world heritage site and needs the world's assistance.
> >>
> >>Back in the early 18th century, the French talked of
> >>abandoning New Orleans within 10 years of its founding due to
> >>hurricanes and political-economic disasters (Katrina also
> >>being a combination).  And for all practical purposes, the
> >>French government DID abandon New Orleans after 1735.  But
> >>people stayed, rebuilt, and prospered in their own way.
> >>
> >>Disasters and their aftermath are also a part of New Orleans'
> >>heritage.  It wouldn't be what it is without them.  For most,
> >>it has never been easy to live in the Big Easy.  Their
> >>creativity and improvisation in survival, as well as their
> >>joie de vivre, is the city's real 'cultural heritage.'  People
> >>who have only visited Bourbon Street have no idea what has
> >>been lost, nor have they ever really met the city that will
> >>survive.
> >>
> >>-- Shannon Dawdy
> >>
> >>
> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>Shannon Lee Dawdy
> >>Assistant Professor
> >>Department of Anthropology
> >>University of Chicago
> >>1126 East 59th St.
> >>Chicago, IL 60637
> >>773-834-0829
> >>
> >>
> >>Forgive me if my messages seem crude and brief -- please
>assume I am
> >short
> >>on time, not short of temper.
> >
> >Robert L. Schuyler
> >University of Pennsylvania Museum
> >3260 South Street
> >Philadelphia, PA l9l04-6324
> >
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