Hey Smoke,

There is quite a bit of discussion in the ammo collecting groups about .45
Long Colt ... Based on what little I looked at yesterday, there was a
difference between .45 Colt and .45 Schofield cartridges, with the .45
Schofield being a little shorter.  Since both were government issued
pistols, they ultimately went for the Schofield length, as it could be
used in both pistols.  Thus, the older, longer case was referred to as the
Long Colt ...  

I may have this completely screwed up, but I think that was what I read
... But the .45 Long Colt designation was apparently never used formally.

Why aren't you in England?

Mark


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On 1/11/13 10:29 AM, "Smoke" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>The United States military started using headstamps in 1877 at the
>Frankford Arsenal to show origin, type, and date of manufacture. The
>.45 Colt cartridge was introduced with the United States Revolver of
>1873. Other manufacturers gradually started using headstamps so that
>by 20 years later, almost all cartridges had headstamps. Your .45 Colt
>cartridges would date in the period from 1873 to the early 1890s. The
>case head will be of the balloon type in which the primer pocket
>protrudes into the powder chamber.
>
>(Note: some idiots today call the .45 Colt the ".45 Long Colt" so as
>to differentiate it from the .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol -
>introduced for the U.S. Model 1911 pistol) cartridge.)
>
>On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:45 PM, dallas ward <[log in to unmask]>
>wrote:
>> Howdy Fellow HISTARCH listerv members,
>>
>>      My name is Dallas and I am a graduate student in Heritage
>>Management
>> at Texas Tech University.  I work primarily in Historical Archaeology
>>and
>> am currently working on a west Texas cowboy site.  I have two questions
>> that hopefully some of you may be of assistance with.
>>      First, do any of you now of any papers or reports related to
>>ranching
>> or cowboy archaeology?  I have only been able to locate a couple and
>>this
>> seems strange to me, am I just missing something or are publications of
>> this sort just rare?  I have the Fontanna - Johnny Ward's Ranch (1962),
>>THC
>> - Walker Ranch report by Scurlock (1973), and one from U of A McGuire -
>> Rancho Punta de Agua (1979).  I also have a CRM report out of Nevada
>>but it
>> was little help.  If anyone could offer suggestions or assistance with
>> sources I would greatly appreciate it.
>>      Second, the cowboy camp has a large quantity of 45 caliber
>>cartridges
>> without head stamps.  Does this mean they are loading their own maybe at
>> the headquarters?  If so I have been unable to find a source in support
>>of
>> this theory.
>>      I greatly appreciate any help or insight.  Unfortunately due to
>> confidentiality issues I am unable to supply any pics or much of a
>> description beyond the vague description of a cowboy camp, possibly a
>> line-camp in western Texas dating to approximately 1890.  Thanks in
>>advance
>> for your responses.
>>
>> -Dallas Ward
>
>
>
>-- 
>Smoke Pfeiffer
>In other news, the wolves and coyotes have finished investigating
>a break-in at the henhouse.  The fox has been cleared.