Hi Carol and Jim!

In BRazil, during the last 15 years, the archaeologists have been trying to get the legal recognition of Archaeology as a profession. 

Nowadays, IPHAN is the public administration (linked to the Culture Ministery) responsible to approve and manage (surveil) any kind of research related to archaeology: 'scientific archaeology' or commercial archaeology ('contract archaeology', is the term that is currently used here). As a public institute IPHAN can not tell how much a work cost, and essentially say if a work is well done or not and what you have to do to  correct it.

According to the national recommendations to excavate any place you have to be an archaeologist. To proove that you have to show if you get a Graduation or Master Degree or PHd in Archaeology. Therefore, most of the archaeologists (even the technicians) in my country has an acadhemical background.


Therefore, It depends on the complexity of your excavation to know how much will cost your work. And the archaeologists have to negotiate that subject directly with the entrepreneurs. 

In short, as we do not have a federal regulation on that nor a federal cost table, frequently is really complicated to the entrepreneurs to measure the distance of a good work and its financial cost.


Sincerely,

Tobias Vilhena


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 De: Carol McDavid <[log in to unmask]>
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I suppose that answers my question!

Tobias, the conversation is about pay rates for field technicians (excavators) working for commercial archaeology firms here in the USA. I was curious what sort of pay issues might be of concern to people outside the US who are also working in commercial archaeology. 

Not sure if this was part of your question, but in case it is --- RPA is the "Register of Professional Archaeologists" (http://www.rpanet.org/  ) and ACRA is the "American Cultural Resources Association" (http://acra-crm.org/ ).

I answered your query because it was addressed to me, but I am sure that other listmembers will be able to put this conversation in a wider global context better than I.

Regards,
Carol
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Hi Carol !

I'm an archaeologist from Brazil (working at IPHAN) and some parts of this conversation are very difficult to understand. It will be very interesting if someone could explain about this subject...

Sincerely,

Tobias




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Well done, Jim, for putting your money where your mouth is! I applaud your willingness to commit now to raising your workers' salaries, and to noting that part of the problem has to do with the overhead and profit rates charged on salaries.

With respect to Ian's comment in an earlier email, which advocated that we:

        "Lobby to get RPA declared a requirement for Principal Investigators working on Federal and State reviewed projects, and expect RPA to discipline or expel those who violate the standards that they have undertaken to uphold."

Perhaps if the latter part of the sentence was more true (and if the "standards" included best practices for pay and benefits), the first part of the sentence would make some sense. Until then, I will not support the idea that everyone has to join RPA to work as a PI. We probably do need some sort of vetting process to push overall salaries up (as I noted in an earlier comment about how architects and engineers are licensed). But right now, RPA is not adequate for that task.

My two pence (speaking of pence…how does this conversation translate to overseas contexts?).

Carol

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Secretary, Society for Historical Archaeology
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Ed,
I don't wholly agree. Unfortunately, I can't wholly disagree.
Like you, I've been at this awhile. Seems to me the real costs are in:
(1) Number of technician and lower management hours, more than the rate for those hours, an investigator estimates will be necessary to meet the requirements of a particular phase of work on a particular project;
(2) The overhead and profit rates charged on salaries;
(3) The number of upper management hours and rates; and
(4) The number of upper management hours devoted to tasks related to working with agencies and clients...meetings that are unnecessary and contribute little or nothing to the efficacy of the study.

I don't pretend to have all the answers, but commitments to paying higher rates will benefit all. Reigning in profit and upper management rates that are 10X those of the people who actually do the work will help reduce the impact of sharp increases in technician rates. Serious efforts at promoting career development for technicians and mid-level staff also can be done inexpensively and, in the long run, worth more than marginal increases in salary and greatly enhance the value of more significant raises.

Jim



James G. Gibb

Gibb Archaeological Consulting

2554 Carrollton Road

Annapolis, Maryland USA ?? 21403

443.482.9593 (Land) 410.693.3847 (Cell)

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On 09/25/13, Ed Otter<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Crm has always been a race to the bottom. Cheapest guy wins the work. Pay less. Do minimal work. Cut any corner possible like hiring "consultants" to avoid social security, unemployment tax and workers comp. If the people bidding for work value our own profession so little we will never be able raise our pay rates.

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Jim <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Fellow HistArchers:
>A friend alerted me to DougsArchaeology postings on pay rates.:
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>http://dougsarchaeology.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/how-much-archaeologists-make-usa-2012-fieldlab-tech/
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> http://dougsarchaeology.wordpress.com/archaeology-job-conditions-us/
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> As I understand it, his numbers derive from posted job listings in 2011 and 2012. While subject to a variety of biases, those numbers approximate what I think most technicians experience: a wide range, but generally in the range of $13 to $15 per hour. California's rates, although possibly a little higher, aren't that far above the newly enacted minimum wage rate of $10 (still not close to a living wage).
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>Ethically and practically, we need to change this situation. Hardworking, talented archaeology technicians should earn salaries commensurate with their education and the value that they bring to commercial projects. It is the right thing to do and it will help insure a talented pool of individuals are prepared to meet the demands of the industry.
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>I'm committing to an increase from $150/ 8-hour day (including at least half the travel time for field projects) to $160/day for all projects awarded after December 1, 2013. If I have projects, I expect a raise to $200 per day beginning January 1, 2015. For those already paying technicians at these levels, great...keep pushing them higher. For those who don't, please make the commitment to improve rates in your region. Education is only one measure of the esteem in which we and others hold our field: levels of compensation and a sincere regard for the health and welfare of our assistants, backed by action, are equally important.
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>Jim
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>James G. Gibb
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>Gibb Archaeological Consulting
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>2554 Carrollton Road
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>Annapolis, Maryland USA ?? 21403
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>443.482.9593 (Land) 410.693.3847 (Cell)
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>www.gibbarchaeology.net ? www.porttobacco.blogspot.com