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Dennis:
>I have been writing about ccd since 2007
click search archives, string ccd, from dthompson
about 100 posts

have you had your deadouts confirmed as CCD by those looking at CCD?

>ccd just requires a new treatment, that's all
And yes Bob, it  is real

I agree that today treatment is needed to turn around hives with CCD like 
symptoms and some do not turn around but what I find in these hives 
(Missouri. Florida & Texas) is a combination of issues.
All not new and *in most cases * but not all  a single issue standing out.
Today's bees are fragile.

When you combine bees (Allen's with a high varroa load) and some level of 
nosema ceranae ( Allen's) you see bees starting to crash in our area right 
after the supers go on . I suspect it is a virus issue ( Allen seeing PMS 
which is virus caused for the most part) combined with bees with a MID GUT 
issue.

*If* there is a new issue *in my opinion* it will be found in the area of 
the bees mid gut. About all that stands out in these CCD like bees is some 
level of nosema ceranae in the mid gut.

I will say a treatment has been found by *beekeeper researchers *  which 
improves midgut health .

To sum up the above can be avoided (experiments) by keeping varroa loads low 
and nosema spore loads low. Proper cleansing of deadouts before replacing 
bees.

The old saying:
"an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
is what I am talking about.

I see removing hives with serious issues from the area ( I write about this 
policy in my first days on BEE-L many years ago) and reworking the boxes & 
comb before replacing the bees.

 prophylactic treatment for varroa & nosema ceranae.


I realize I am out on a limb by myself but I do not see bees with CCD like 
symptoms and using my methods I have combined three commercial operations 
bees this spring and all look great.

One outfit took a serious effort to straighten out with some losses. I would 
not have taken those sick bees if given the choice again but the bees now 
look like the other yards. No treatment or care for two years was the source 
of the problems.

To Dave all I can say is most of your 100 posts have been about problems in 
your bees.
You need to come up with something new to try as it seems the methods you 
are using are not working. To become a member of the number one bee list 
(world members) and not be able to improve your bees with our suggestions is 
hard for me to understand as we are all trying to help you improve your 
bees.

Forget the vitamin C.

The above my not be the same opinion as others on the list but is an opinion 
of a person which is called on if not daily but for sure weekly to help with 
bee issues by some of the largest beekeepers around and at times those with 
only a hive or two.

Think prevention and not cure!

No treatments and even IPM are hard to apply today in commercial operations.

bob 

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