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Not the best field design, and some odd findings - ie.,  "There was no  
difference in infection levels among bees sampled from different areas of  the 
hive regardless of the time of year." ???
 
The implication that Nosema is not a problem and to save money by not  
treating to control it is in my opinion and that of some of our   colleagues 
"dangerous advice here .......... pretty shortsighted."
 
Assuming we are even partially correct about a Nosema and Virus interaction 
 (Cramer's inoculation trials indicated Nosema by itself had some impact, 
which  was intensified by the presence of IIV, and we'd think, other 
viruses), Nosema  may be like varroa - by itself, it may not be too bad, but 
combined with  viruses, its lethal. 
 
Note, we are in the last stages of completing a rebuttal to the spate of  
papers saying that IIV is not in US bees, with which we strongly disagree -  
one has to explain the iridescent larvae seen by beekeepers, other 
researchers,  and for which we even have photos.  Regardless, IIV plus Nosema 
impacted  the bees in lab trials.  That is independent of any proteomics work,  
which  is the issue of debate by our critics.
 
We're working on trials with Nosema and virus and whole colonies this fall  
- although we are having difficulty finding Nosema ceranae (so if any of 
you  have heavily  infected bees with Nosema, we'd like a box of live bees  
from you, please contact me off-list).
 
I've discussed the possible interaction of Nosema and virus with Higes  in 
Spain, and he agrees, that the presence of viruses may be a factor in  
explaining why sometimes Nosema levels are high, and bees appear to be fine, and  
at other times, even with low levels of Nosema, bees are impacted.
 
If you assume that Nosema by itself  OR in combination of  Nosema with one 
or more viruses is not a problem, and  if you  don't monitor and take steps 
to try to control Nosema, our opinion is that   your bees are at risk.  
 
At least there are ways  to monitor and treat Nosema, although how  
effective and  how long the treatment lasts is something that can only be  
determined by monitoring.  Despite claims to the contrary, its even more  difficult 
to treat for viruses (and with some products purported to control  virus(s) 
its even more expensive).  Hopefully, one  of these days  we will have 
affordable treatments for viral infections.  Until then, we  recommend  policing 
the one pathogen that you can see.
 
If you treat for Nosema, it will cost you money.  Reason we  recommend 
monitoring and only treating those  colonies that need it when  they need it is 
to keep treatment costs down.  But, we think you just may  avoid widespread 
and unexpected collapse if you keep your  Nosema under  control.  Which is 
more costly?? Treating and later finding out it wasn't  necessary, or Not 
Treating, and risking Nosema related bee loss (whether from  Nosema itself, or 
Nosema in combination with  viruses).  Frankly, I  wish our  critics would 
spend less time wasting  time, effort, and  money  on proving us wrong, and 
more on testing whether Nosema acts like  varroa with respect to viruses.
 
If we are wrong, time will tell.  If we are right, and people don't  pay  
attention to Nosema and virus(s), then bees will be lost  needlessly.
 
Finally, we lost over 90% of our own research hives in 2007.  Since  we've 
been on top of Nosema, our 70+ colonies have had far less  overwinter loss, 
and the colonies do better in the summer, with less pathogen  and pest 
problems.  (On average, we inspect our colonies every two weeks  during the  
growing season, keeping rigorous records of pop size,  pathogens, and pests).
 
Jerry
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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