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Peter,

Until fairly recently I think man really did very limited selection of stock or plants he raised.  Take plant seeds.  Many plants shed seeds about as fast as the seeds mature and they do not always mature at the same time.  Lots of grasses do this.  The mature seeds are held very weakly.  What man did was simply harvest.  Any plants that held their seeds better ended up in the harvest and were replanted and in only a few generations the result was grasses (Wheat, oats,...) that held their seeds.

Or take the second oldest domestic, pigeons.  Man simply gave them a place to nest.  They foraged for their own food.  Those that were more human tolerant stayed around.  The guy that was in charge of butching and plucking likely left the largest young to breed and ate the smaller less desirable ones.  In a few generations the human tolerance and size went up automatically without the "breeder" actually picking mates.

Dick


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On Tue, 9/6/16, Peter Loring Borst <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [BEE-L] evolutionary pressures
 To: [log in to unmask]
 Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016, 7:43 AM
 
 > But, in either case such
 selection is still evolution.  Evolution is change in
 response to a stimulus.  Nature can be the stimulus,
 but so can man.
 
 OK, I see what you mean by that. Evolution includes
 artificial selection. Then, the distinction is between
 natural and artificial selection, and also the product.
 Natural selection produced what we call "nature," the nature
 that we wish to preserve, being as it is the product of 4
 billion years. Mankind's hands are all over the planet now,
 so the distinction between nature and man-created may be
 subtle and vanishing.
 
 * * *
 
 We perceive today, as did Darwin, that natural selection is
 the environmentally
 driven mechanistic process by which more advantageous
 traits are, on the whole, passed on to succeeding
 generations more often
 than less advantageous traits because of differential
 reproduction of the
 individuals possessing them. Sexual selection is a natural
 process of intraspecific
 competition for mating rights. 
 
 Artificial selection, generally the motive force behind
 domestication, 
 is often equated with selective breeding.
 
 This often amounts to prezygotic selection (where mates are
 chosen
 by humans) versus postzygotic selection (where the most fit
 progeny
 reproduce differentially) as in natural selection. Although
 natural selection
 plays a considerable role in the evolution of many traits
 (e.g., disease
 resistance) during the animal domestication process, sexual
 selection is
 effectively trumped by the human-imposed arrangements of
 matings
 and often by the human desire for particular secondary
 sexual characters.
 
 Artificial selection is a conscious, if unintentional,
 process, and therefore
 is generally considered to be effected only by humans.
 
 Driscoll, C. A., Macdonald, D. W., & O'Brien, S. J.
 (2009). From wild animals to domestic pets, an evolutionary
 view of domestication. Proceedings of the National Academy
 of Sciences, 106(Supplement 1), 9971-9978.
 
          
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