Eric James wrote:

>>I wasn't aware 1812 was frought with bad tunes.  Beethoven's "Ode to Joy"
>>tune has always seemed pretty crude to me, while the similar tune from the
>>Choral Fantasia sounds much more elegant.

Tony Duggan writes:

>Kingsley Amis once said Ode To Joy was probably the most _boring_ of all
>the great tunes.  I think agree with him.

Boring? I think that the original is much better than the copy (Brahms S1,
last movement).

I'm appreciating Lieder more and more, and that's the natural place for
great tunes (Schubert, Liszt, Peterson-Berger).

Mikael Rasmusson