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Bob Skiles <[log in to unmask]>
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Al,

This might be pretty obvious (and not need mentioning ... but just in 
case... I'll go ahead and say it), but the oval enclosing the CITRO 
embossing on the bottles is doubtlessly meant to represent the outline 
of a lemon, the CITRO logo (which you see clearly depicted on the 
counter dispenser), and LIKELY also to be the reason the "G" encircling 
the "M" in the mark is difficult to discern as a capital "G" ... 
precisely because it was "stretched-out" into an oval-shape, also meant 
to represent the outline of a lemon.

Best regards,

Bob


On 7/14/2016 11:38 AM, Bob Skiles wrote:
>
> M within a G…………Maryland Glass Corporation, Baltimore, Maryland 
> (1907-c. 1970s).  This mark is confirmed to exist on the base of a 
> cobalt blue rectangular “2 oz” marked bottle, with vertical ribbing on 
> the front; probably an iodine or poison bottle.  Also seen on the base 
> of  a cobalt “Perfection Ginger Ale, Brooklandwood Springs  Company, 
> Baltimore, MD” bottle. (Thanks to Ken Previtali for the information on 
> the ginger ale bottle!)  The “G” is very similar in appearance to a 
> horizontally oriented oval.  Because of it’s presence on the 
> Brooklandwood Springs bottle, I consider this to be virtual proof that 
> this particular mark was indeed used by Maryland, although only in 
> rare instances as compared to their “M inside a circle 
> <http://www.glassbottlemarks.com/m-within-a-circle-maryland-glass-corporation/>” 
> mark which was normally used.
>
> http://www.glassbottlemarks.com/bottlemarks-4/
>
>
> On 7/14/2016 10:34 AM, Al Dart wrote:
>> Thanks Bill!
>>
>> The Bottle Research Group's information suggests that the Citro bottle was
>> manufactured by the Michigan Glass Co. rather than the Maryland Glass Corp.
>> as suggested by Bob Skiles. As shown in the fifth photo link included in my
>> previous email, the logo on the Citro bottle base is clearly embossed,
>> without any signs of slippage or incomplete stamping, so does not appear to
>> me to have been poorly stamped. If the Bottle Research Group has other
>> examples of this same logo featuring the stylized G enclosing the M
>> attributed to the Michigan firm, I'd have to conclude that this particular
>> Citro bottle was manufactured by Michigan Glass Co.
>>
>> Bottle Research Group is welcome to use my photos in its listings.
>>
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> al
>>
>> Allen Dart, RPA, Executive Director (Volunteer)
>> Old Pueblo Archaeology Center
>> PO Box 40577
>> Tucson AZ 85717-0577  USA
>> 		520-798-1201
>> 		[log in to unmask]  
>> 		www.oldpueblo.org
>>
>> Disclosure: Old Pueblo Archaeology Center's Executive Director Allen Dart is
>> a USDA Natural Resources Conservation Service cultural resources specialist
>> who volunteers his time to Old Pueblo. Views expressed in Old Pueblo
>> Archaeology Center communications do not necessarily represent views of the
>> U.S. Department of Agriculture or of the United States.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of William
>> Lockhart
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 5:28 AM
>> To:[log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: CiTro Cobalt Blue Bottle
>>
>> Hi Al & All,
>>
>>
>> The Bottle Research Group has not yet completed the "Other M" section of the
>> Encyclopedia of Manufacturer's Marks on Glass Containers (the SHA site you
>> noted in your message), but below is what it will eventually be.  The
>> monogram on the fruit jars is identical with the one on your soda bottle.
>>
>>
>> Let me know if you want or need the individual citations.
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> Bill Lockhart
>>
>>
>> ------------
>>
>>
>> MG monogram (1911-1916)
>>
>>      An MG monogram was embossed on the base of machine-made fruit jars that
>> had "MICHIGAN MASON" embossed on the side.  Roller (1983:251) noted that
>> there were also variations with no monogram on the base.  He claimed that
>> the jars were made by the Michigan Glass Co., Saginaw, "c. 1910s."  Creswick
>> (1987b:95) agreed but dated the company 1911-1916.  She also listed other
>> jars with the MG monogram. The dates we discovered were ca. 1914-ca. 1917 -
>> very close to those of Creswick.  The Roller update (2011:375) added
>> historic details (see below) and noted that the jars were made in both
>> shoulder and bead seal versions with three variations:
>>
>> 1. "MICHIGAN MASON" on side; no basal embossing 2. "MICHIGAN MASON" on side;
>> MG monogram on base 3. No side embossing: MG monogram on base
>>
>> Allen Dart also described a cobalt blue bowling-pin soda bottle embossed
>> "CITRO / THE THIRST QUENCHER / BROOKLANDWOOD SPRINGS CO. / BALTO MD" in a
>> round plate; "REGISTERED" on the front heel; and the MG monogram on the base
>> (Figures ? & ?).
>>
>>      Manufacturer
>>
>>          Michigan Glass Co., Saginaw, Michigan (1911-1916)
>>
>>      Roller (2011:375) noted that the Michigan Glass Co. incorporated in
>> February 1911, with Frederick Buck as president, Fred C. Simon as vice
>> president, and C.H. Brand as secretary and general manager - with a location
>> at 1401 Wheeler St.  George Grant, Jr., replaced Simon in 1913.  Although
>> the firm was last listed in the city directory in 1916, the Thomas Registers
>> continued it as a fruit jar manufacturer from 1914 to 1917 (Thomas
>> Publishing Co. 1914:3010; 1915:3387; 1916:3782; 1917:4104).  It should be
>> noted, however, that the Thomas Registers frequently missed closings.
>> Creswick (1987b:160) agreed with a range of 1911-1916.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY<[log in to unmask]>  on behalf of Al Dart
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:08:50 PM
>> To:[log in to unmask]
>> Subject: CiTro Cobalt Blue Bottle
>>
>> Hi HistArchers,
>>
>>
>> I'm looking for company and dating information on a cobalt blue,
>> machine-finished soda (or other beverage) bottle with crown-cap lip and this
>> embossed label:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> CITRO
>>
>>
>> THE THIRST QUENCHER
>>
>>
>> BROOKLANDWOOD SPRINGS CO.
>>
>>
>> BALTO MD.
>>
>>
>> REGISTERED
>>
>> (The T in CITRO is about twice as large as the other letters in the name.)
>>
>> A logo on the bottle base (maker's mark?) is a capital M inside of either a
>> G or a C (which I can't find in Toulouse's Bottle Makers and Their Marks
>> book or in the SHA's
>> http://www.sha.org/bottle/makersmarks.htm#Bottlemakersmarks  site), above the
>> numeral 2.
>>
>> Photos:
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32727110/Citro%201.JPG
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32727110/Citro%202.JPG
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32727110/Citro%203.JPG
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32727110/Citro%204.JPG
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32727110/Citro%20base.JPG
>>
>> Several of these bottles are listed on eBay but I'm looking for info about
>> the Citro company and the bottle's age and maker's mark. All help
>> appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> al
>>
>> Allen Dart, RPA, Executive Director (Volunteer) Old Pueblo Archaeology
>> Center PO Box 40577 Tucson AZ 85717-0577  USA
>>           520-798-1201
>>           [log in to unmask]
>>           www.oldpueblo.org<http://www.oldpueblo.org>
>>
>>
>> Disclosure: Old Pueblo Archaeology Center's Executive Director Allen Dart is
>> a USDA Natural Resources Conservation Service cultural resources specialist
>> who volunteers his time to Old Pueblo. Views expressed in Old Pueblo
>> Archaeology Center communications do not necessarily represent views of the
>> U.S. Department of Agriculture or of the United States.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
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