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And if not the other suggestions look up "sharkskin" that's what my Japanese 
fiends call it; the Kovels I think had this in one of their newsletters and 
said it was Korean.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Douglas Ross" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Unidentifiable Porcelain Applique


Sean,

These fragments are Japanese porcelain of a type know as 'moriage'.
There is a photo and brief description in Alison Stenger's chapter in
Hidden Heritage: Historical Archaeology of the Overseas Chinese,
edited by Priscilla Wegars. That will get you started at least.

Doug Ross


On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Sean Doyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Good Morning,
>
> While recording an early 20th Century (1900 - 1920) Homestead in 
> Northeastern Colorado, USA these porcelain sherds were observed in the 
> surface scatter. They are elements of a flow-blue type teapot, 
> specifically the lid and a body sherd, that have a curious appliqué I 
> can't seem to identify. It is a surface coating of some alligator 
> patterned material that is camel in color, and set around a more globular 
> sunburst type paint appliqué. On first glance I thought it was a salt 
> accumulation, but the uniformity of the edge made me lose confidence in 
> that assumption, so I am back to square one. I have looked through Hume, 
> the Maryland database, the Florida Database, Godden, and a few others and 
> the most similar technique I can come up with is a crumb appliqué, which 
> would date significantly earlier than the remainder of the site and well.
>
> The location is in the Central Great Plains, in an open rolling semi-arid 
> area. Alkali deposits within natural sumps (Playa) and wallows are not 
> uncommon. The surface soil is a Platner series Loam beneath a layer of 
> wind blow silt. If that helps.
>
> So, I was hoping to exploit the immense collective of pottery knowledge 
> that is HistArch and perhaps gain some sense of what this thing is.
>
> Photographs:
> http://s1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/Locke1683/
>
> Thank You,
>
>
> Sean M.A. Doyle, B.A.
>
>
>
> Historic Resources Specialist
>
> SWCA Environmental Consultants
>
> 295 Interlocken Blvd. Suite 300
>
> Broomfield, CO. 80021
> 303-487-1183 x.149
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Walter
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: University archaeologists start Tregaron elephant dig
>
> Okay this is a more complete version than that I first saw, and agrees 
> with
> what I've heard.
>
> We don't freeze here (Southern California); our decomposition season is 
> all
> year long.
>
> Seems slightly different also in that all "my" farmers covered their dead
> animals with dirt, whether they were work animals or beef/dairy cattle 
> that
> died unexpectedly near their homes. None of the equine burails here that I
> know of had markers.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lyle E. Browning" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: University archaeologists start Tregaron elephant dig
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Sean Doyle wrote:
>
>> In the cases where they went so far as to identify the markers they only
>> had the name, Demon, Runner, and what not. No indication of species or
>> capacity on the marker. I wonder why the same treatment was not afforded
>> draught animals in agriculturalist sites I've had the opportunity to work
>> on?
> Beef and dairy operations in VA have a designated area where natural loss
> animals are hauled for "open-air" burials. These are invariably in ravines
> at the margins of the pasture and in an intermittent drainage. That said,
> half a mile downwind in the summer the odor is noticeable and within a
> quarter mile it is sickening. VA has two seasons; winter and July so the
> decomp season is March to November with frozen or nearly so in between in
> the higher elevations.
>
> Draught animals often did get burials, but not with markers. The farmers
> knew where they were and used the area as needed. One such situation was
> related in that a team of mules used to haul freight in wagon to the
> steamboats for riverine transport would not stop backing up and went over
> the end of the dock into the Pamunkey River. The crop was lost as were the
> animals. A pit was dug by hand and the animals were rolled in. The last 
> one
> rolled in and came to rest with legs up. Alterations were made with a
> chainsaw to allow dirt to cover the multiple grave. No other markers 
> exist.
> This happened about 80 years ago and is still current with the
> great-grandchildren of the folks to which it happened. Ethnohistory would
> undoubtedly relate more of same.
>
> I have encountered horse "graveyards" with markers with the name and 
> dates.
> It would appear that the farther down the status ladder the animal, the 
> less
> likely it was to be commemorated. And it would have much to do with the
> economic means and mindset of the owners. Commemoration in cement is more
> prevalent in agrarian sites than formalized tombstones. One has to 
> remember
> that most of these animals were working animals, and not household pets. 
> The
> distinction is important when disposable income is scarce on farming 
> profit
> margins.
>
> Lyle Browning, RPA
>
>
>>
>> Susan Walter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Very true.
>> I have thought of visiting one of our local pet cemeteries; not yet made 
>> a
>> big enough excuse to do so. Just wondering if a working dog would have
>> been
>> marked as such on his/her marker.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sean Doyle" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 10:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: University archaeologists start Tregaron elephant dig
>>
>>
>> The one's in Western Colorado varied between fieldstone and wooden
>> markers.
>> East Texas on the other hand were invariably of stone, at least of the
>> examples I have seen. We did in fact know they were dogs as in all three
>> cases the landowners explained the burials to us.
>>
>> I wanted to add that I should have said "working dogs" instead of simply
>> hunting dogs. The Colorado examples were located in the Piceance and were
>> intermixed with sheep dogs. They always fascinated me, good
>> representations
>> of how much the human relied on and trusted this animal during its
>> lifetime.
>> As much a colleague as a pet.
>>
>> Susan Walter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> With fieldstones?
>> Did you know they were dogs?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sean Doyle" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 9:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: University archaeologists start Tregaron elephant dig
>>
>>
>> Not so much pets, but hunting dogs. I have seen a great deal of marked
>> hunting dog burials on various rural hunting tracts in both East Texas 
>> and
>> Western Colorado.
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY on behalf of Susan Walter
>> Sent: Mon 4/11/2011 9:01 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: University archaeologists start Tregaron elephant dig
>>
>>
>>
>> Not elephants, BUT often on rural sites I've stumbled (sometimes
>> literally)
>> on what appear to be fieldstone grave markers. In my own yard, our
>> fieldstone markers denote pet burials. Everyone (except Mr. McCoy, who
>> was
>> exhumed and moved to a now unidentified final resting place) is accounted
>> for from my farmhouse, built in 1890; they are in official cemeteries.
>>
>> Anyone else had pet burials marked like that?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "geoff carver" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:30 PM
>> Subject: University archaeologists start Tregaron elephant dig
>>
>>
>>> Not quite sure what to think of this; maybe a useful training exercise
>>> (PR?), but...
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-13023965
>>> What archaeological information can the grave of a circus elephant
>>> reveal?
>>> Something about burial customs for circus elephants in 19th c. Wales?
>>
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