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Pat says,
 
 
bowel  movements

For starters: 1. I'm of the opinion that 10 days or 2 weeks  is too long 
for 
a baby to regain to birth weight.  I wasn't in a  position to study this 
when 
I got my MSN in 1994, but while working on my  MSN I did home vss for a 
hospital that did 24 hour discharges with a home  vss on day 2 and 4. 
Invariably I saw babies who were nursing OK on day 2  to be back to birth 
weight by day 4.  If they weren't back to birth  weight by day 4, I 
considered baby at risk and could get another  vss.  If they weren't back 
to 
birth weight by day 4, it was usually a  problem in baby or mom.
2. A baby at 10 days, below birth weight, not  having adequate stool, would 
have all my red flags waving.  Something  is wrong with production (mom) or 
transfer (baby).  Pat in  SNJ>>

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Pat, I think the concept is lovely but in the US of A, unrealistic.   
(Probably in Canada too).  For starters, one study pointed out that in  normal 
breastfed babies the amount of weight loss averages 5.5-6.6% of birth  weight 
which occurs between days 2-3, and normal babies will regain by 8.3 days  of 
age.  However, according to the most excellent program done at the ILCA  
conference in 2011, 44% of women in the US experience delayed lactohgenesis -- 
 meaning the milk doesn't even "come in" until after 72 hours.  Back to  
reading Joy Noel-Weiss excellent study in the IBJ, we see that babies whose  
mothers have received a lot of fluids during labor AND we use *birth weight* 
as  a reference point, we will see many many babies who lose >10% of birth  
weight.  It is virtually impossible for a baby who is born in the hospital  
to regain birth weight by day 4.  If we use a 24 hour weight as the  
reference point, we'll have more babies regaining by 10 days, which is  ideal.
 
Let's say baby weighs 8# at birth and by day 3 has lost 5% of his birth  
weight.  That's 6.4 ounces.  Mom's milk comes in on day 3.  Baby  weighs 7-10 
on day three.  Do you really expect baby to be 8# in 24  hours?  That's a 
gain of 6 ounces in one day.  I don't think that is  going to happen.  But it 
certainly is reasonable to expect him to start  gaining about an ounce a day 
once mom's milk is in, so I would expect this baby  to be 8 pounds by day 
9.  
 
Now, if the baby isn't stooling adequately (3 scoopable poops), then he  
probably isn't gaining an ounce a day or thereabouts, and there is cause for  
concern.  But if stooling well, gaining at the rate of an ounce a day, are  
we terribly concerned about what day he regains weight?  
 
I think we are placing too much emphasis on the day baby regains weight and 
 not enough emphasis on the overall picture.  Amount of fluid mom got in  
labor,  amount of times baby peed first 24 hours, time of reference weight  
(birth?  24 hours?), if mom's milk was delayed coming in, and then rate at  
which baby is gaining per 24 hours.

 
Jan Barger, RN, MA, IBCLC, FILCA
Lactation Education  Consultants
_www.lactationeducation.com_ (http://www.lactationeducation.com/)   

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