One and the same, Ron - stoneware with a fairly thick glaze in and 
out, soft shoulders like glass bottles, minimal kick-up, cork 
seal.  A bit easier to date with the stamp.  These are the ones we 
found in Virginia City with Guinness labels, dating to pre-1883.

Robert

At 6/26/2008 07:09 PM, you wrote:
>How does this relate to the Scottish ale bottles with the oval stamp
>impressed into the base? These are two toned with gray and yellow 
>and a  relatively
>clear overglaze? I have recovered them from an 1860s-1870s whaler's  camp and
>have heard they were produced until 1929.
>
>Ron May
>Legacy 106, Inc.
>
>
>In a message dated 6/26/2008 10:52:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
>Carl:
>
>Askey (1981) shows the Bristol glaze in use through at  least 1949 on
>standard-shape ginger-beer bottles in Britain.  He  doesn't, however,
>address bottles for export separately.  Color was  both single toned
>(white) and two-toned.  He ends the cork seal about  1915, follows it
>with an internal screw seal until about 1938 and ends  with a crown
>cap in 1949.  The Bristol glaze was used not only on  ginger-beer
>bottles (with a sharp shoulder) but also on ale, porter, and  stout
>bottles in the shape Askey calls "champagne" although the ones I've
>seen lack the distinctive kick-up of the glass wine/champagnes.  In
>the Great Basin of Nevada I've not seen the standard ginger-beer
>shape, but the "champagne" shape ale bottles are relatively common
>and  come in both 1 and 2 tone variations, A couple with the original
>Guinness  paper label attached were found beneath Piper's Opera House
>in Virginia  City (NV), erected in 1883.
>
>I've seen an additional reference (that I  can't put my hands on!)
>that ginger beer was used primarily in the eastern  US and Canada.  I
>don't remember a definition for "eastern" - in  Nevada that tends to
>be anything east of the Mississippi, when I was in  Alabama it was the
>Atlantic seaboard north of the  Mason-Dixon.
>
>Askey, Derek.  Stoneware Bottles  From  Bellarmines to Ginger Beers
>1500-1949.  Bowman Graphics, Brighton  (UK).  P  121-122
>
>At 6/26/2008 08:48 AM, you  wrote:
> >Dear Carl,
> >
> >Tyler et. al. (2005) state that the  yellow and clear glaze used on the
> >two toned ginger beer bottles was  developed in 1835 by William Powell of
> >Bristol.  This two toned  glaze became the industry standard and was
> >purchased by all of the  London Potters.  In 1860 Dolton developed their
> >own similar  glaze.
> >
> >Tyler, K. et. al.
> >2005    "The Dolton  Stoneware Pothouse in Lambeth: Excavations at 9
> >Albert Embankment,  London".  Museum of London Archaeology Service.   P.
> >13
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >-----Original  Message-----
> >From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On  Behalf Of Carl
> >Steen
> >Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:38  AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Ginger Beer
> >
> >Hi  all,
> >
> >What is the earliest context in which you have seen brown  and white
> >"bristol" glaze Ginger Beer (type)  bottles?
> >
> >thanks,
> >Carl  Steen
>
>
>
>
>
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