A lesson in forebearance: Never check e-mail before partaking in one's morning wake-up beverage of choice.
Thanks, Meli and Terry, for pointing out the obvious, and probably for getting up earlier than Carl and Mark, thereby having imbibed caffeine earlier as well. Are we not all reveling in the on-going research on bottle makers' marks that continues to refine (and sometimes re-define) Toulouse? Might this not turn out to be a similar effort? I, for one, have placed my order, since I never assume that one source, no matter how tried and true, is THE source. (In fact, as we e-speak, so to speak, I am struggling with an issue regarding window glass in settings where it could not be as old as indicated by analyses, requiring me to assess both identification sources and processes of acquisition. Isn't that what we do?)
Carl and Mark, you have both expressed repentance and may now put down your mechanisms of penance and return to work. There is nary a one of us that hasn't been there, so we can all move on now.
Back to window glass and metal projectile points,
Jeff
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-----Original Message-----
From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY on behalf of Carl Steen
Sent: Tue 7/27/2010 8:34 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New: Catalogue of Ceramic Maker's Marks.
Jeez How many times do I have to apologize?
Carl Steen
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Majewski <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:31 am
Subject: Re: New: Catalogue of Ceramic Maker's Marks.
I was really distressed by the harsh and petty comments about Erica's book. We
haven't even SEEN it yet. How about congratulating someone for caring enough to
get some of their research published? How about congratulating Mitch Allen from
Left Coast Press for publishing reasonably priced books on topics we're
interested in? If the rest of us don't like it, let's put something out there
ourselves. Another thing, what Erica's book offers that is different from Godden
and all the other mark books we have on our shelves is that the marks are those
"found in North American archaeological sites." This is a very useful thing for
historical archaeologists working on materials from sites in North America to
talk about where goods are coming from, consumer preference, etc. It might even
help us understand the American ceramic market better for the time period Erica
is focusing on. There's lots more to do on this topic, following on from Neil
Ewins' wonderful publication "Supplying the Present Wants of Our Yankee
Cousins...": Staffordshire Ceramics and the American Market 1775-1880, Journal
of Ceramic History Vol. 15, 1997, City Museum & Art Gallery, Stoke-on-Trent.
Finally, we have a lot to learn about ceramic goods made by the American,
German, and French at that time from an archaeological context.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is no need to act in such an
exclusionary way -- it discourages the growth and sustainability of our
discipline, and it certainly doesn't represent professional, courteous behavior.
Enough said,
Terry Majewski
-----Original Message-----
From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carl Steen
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 7:09 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New: Catalogue of Ceramic Maker's Marks.
Again, not meant to discourage Erica from doing and publishing good research.
The misleading sales pitch just hit me wrong. I only had a sip or two of coffee
myself, which may explain my grumpiness...
Carl Steen
-----Original Message-----
From: erica gibson <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 9:52 am
Subject: Re: New: Catalogue of Ceramic Maker's Marks.
Wow! Talk about being ripped to shreds before I've even had my first cup of
coffee!
Erica S. Gibson
Lab/Collections Manager
Anthropological Studies Center
Sonoma State University
Rohnert Park, CA
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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Carl Steen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Sorry if I jumped the gun, but I get grumpy about hyperbole first thing in
> the morning.... I know I shouldn't discourage people from making the effort
> to put a good resource together.
>
>
> Carl Steen
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melissa Diamanti <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 9:10 am
> Subject: Re: New: Catalogue of Ceramic Maker's Marks.
>
>
> Whoa there fellow HISTARCHers!
> Shouldn't you check out what the product actually has to offer before you
> slam
> it?
> I see from the webpage that the book is not available until October, but
> why
> assume the worst. Reading the blurb on the website, I found...
>
> " this catalog provides full information on both the history of the mark
> and its
> variants, as well as details about the manufacturer" (emphasis mine)
>
> This suggests that variants of one maker's mark are all counted together in
> the
> 350, so it probably really covers a lot. It also indicates that there is
> information on the company behind a mark, not just the name and possible
> dates,
> as in Kovel & Kovel. So it could prove usefull after all.
>
> Meli Diamanti
>
> --- On Tue, 7/27/10, Caryn M. Berg <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Caryn M. Berg <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: New: Catalogue of Ceramic Maker's Marks.
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 1:17 AM
>
>
> A Comprehensive Catalogue of Ceramic Maker's Marks.
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
> Erica Gibson
>
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>
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>
>
>
> Erica Gibson's comprehensive guide provides a much-needed catalogue of
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