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You need to take into consideration the fact that most of the manganese sources in Russia (which, in turn, were exported to the U.S.) were controlled by German mining corporations.  After the German ambassador delivered the declaration of war to the Tsar in August 1914, the mines were expropriated (in effect, shut down).  But using 1914 as the cut-off doesn't work, because U.S. glass manufacturers (1) had stockpiles of manganese, and( 2) were already in the process of replacing manganese with selenium.  I will refrain from commenting on current issues that are related to this thread, although I can't help but note that the entry of the U.S. into the European war was dictated by U.S. munitions manufacturers.  Original Message ----- 
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  The Parks Canada Glass Glossary (1985) by Olive Jones and Catherine
  Sullivan (and others), page 13, says "This type of glass (solarized) was
  most common from the last quarter of the 19th century until World War I,
  but it does occur earlier, especially in 18th century French crizzled
  glasses."

  I suspect that common use of the specific year "1917" may owe to an
  American perspective on the general temporal landmark of WW I, since the US
  entered into that three-year-old war on April 6 of that year. If one
  assumes that the war disrupted supplies of manganese, I suppose that the
  effect could have been felt in some places as early as the latter part of
  1914.



                                                                                                         
                        Michael Pfeiffer                                                                 
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  "1915 - Glass formulas delete manganese".  In: Some Common Artifact Found
  at Historical Sites.  Cultural Resources Report No.31, USDA Forest Service,
  Southwestern Region, Albuqueque, N.M., February 1980 by David Gillio,
  Francis Levine, and Douglas Scott. page 17

  "Manganese was used in bottle glass up to about 1917 in order to give the
  glass a clearer effect.  After this date, ultra-violet rays of the sun
  would not turn glass "purple", a change caused by the manganese content of
  the glass."
  IMACS users Guide, April 1984, section 472.  This is the guide to filling
  out site forms for computer entry back then.  It was developed in Region 4
  (Utah, Nevada, and southern 2/3 of Idaho).  I used it in 1983 and 1984
  while working for the BLM in Salmomn, Idaho.

  I don't have the orginal sources.

  :-(


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  HISTARCHers:

  I'm looking for a citation for the end date of the use of manganese to
  clarify glass in the United States. Dale Berge in his still relevant report
  on the Simpson's Springs excavations in Utah tells us it was 1917, based on
  a collector's book (Ferraro and Ferraro 1964). I have "known" for some
  years now that the United States stopped importing manganese from Germany
  as early as 1915 and that is a better end date for glass that solarizes
  purple. I've used that date for some time now, but a reviewer on one of my
  reports wants a citation (*&#!*#!!!). I've gone through all my standard
  references and can't find anyone else who will back me up.

  Anyone who can help?

  Cathy


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