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 Absolutely, I agree with you. However, we must not censure any point of view and must allow students to make their own decisions. You are right about scientific controversy and yes that should be first and foremost as the scientific method and any grounded scientific theories and facts. But it is good to allow all forms of discourse to be taught on all levels and from all points of view. Edith
	


> De: martin weiss <[log in to unmask]>
> A: [log in to unmask]
> Objet: Re: darwinism (was starbucks)
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:49:44 -0400

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>  One argument that has been used in order to push ID into the 
> science classroom is to encourage/require teachers to teach the 
> controversy-creationism (intelligent design) vs evolution. But there 
> is no science controversy. I agree critical thinking IS very 
> important but it need not be taught using fabricated controversy; 
> critical appraisal can be taught within the range of the goals of an 
> education system.
> 
> Martin.
> 
> >
> > Yes in more recent cases, that is true, but I was referring 
> >to the original Scopes trials intentions, of course intentions 
> >unfortunately chanced with time and not for the better. Personally 
> >any kind of censorship is wrong and schools should be able to teach 
> >all things and let students think for themselves. If both sides of 
> >the equation are not taught, it makes it difficult for students to 
> >think critically about both sides of the discussion and discourse. 
> >Open discourse and academic freedom encourages critical thinking. 
> >Edith
> >
> >
> >>  De: Jonah Cohen <[log in to unmask]>
> >>  A: [log in to unmask]
> >>  Objet: Re: darwinism (was starbucks)
> >>  Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:08:52 -0400
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> >>  -----Original Message-----
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> >>  [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Edith Piaf
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> >>  > It is also interesting that you noted that the Scopes Trials were not
> >>  > against teaching evolution per se, but that they were more concerned
> with
> >>  > not prohibiting the teaching of the Bible in the public school
> setting.
> >>
> >>  While more recent creationist efforts have focused on getting "equal
> time"
> >>  for creationism/ID/etc, in the original Scopes Trial, it was indeed
> about a
> >>  state a law which made it illegal to teach evolution.
> >>
> >>  Jonah Cohen
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