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No, really, Beryl, don't beat around the Bush... :P

I agree with your analysis. I just think that the more we are able to
present thoughtful (empirical?) evidence of these phenomena, the better
position we might be in to do something about it.

Bill

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>I get a lot of anecdotal comments about this.  Empirical or not, the
>bottom line is, if the teachers can't come out because that is what
>they have been told, there is a valuable lesson there.  I have found
>that some districts, ie the ones that typically do well on the
>tests, continue to visit. Those that are in trouble, ie the ones
>that do poorly on the tests, have come less and less.  If you want
>empirical studies, just look at the list of schools who come and
>don't come, and note note the districts they represent, (which
>frankly, has high correlation to economics).  It's pretty damn sad
>when the districts and kids who could really benefit from
>inquiry-based experiences can't get it because they are busy being
>taught how to respond to a test question so their school scores will
>go up.  That's not learning, that's propaganda.

Now would you like to know how I really feel???

Beryl

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