BEE-L Archives

Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology

BEE-L@COMMUNITY.LSOFT.COM

Options: Use Monospaced Font
Show Text Part by Default
Show All Mail Headers

Message: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Topic: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Author: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]

Print Reply
Subject:
From:
"From the Gussow's of Tucson,Arizona - Don't worry it's a dry heat!" <[log in to unmask]>
Reply To:
Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology <[log in to unmask]>
Date:
Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:20:56 -0700
Content-Type:
text/plain
Parts/Attachments:
text/plain (93 lines)
Hello to all! Thank you Jenny Reed too.
        There are taboos that must be kept out of the honey house and
bottling house when it comes to "Kosher" and while it may or may not occur
to others I will explain.
        There are three food sources in the world of Kosher. Two are animal
products: Milk and Meat. The third deals with honey known as "Parve" or
Neutral that would allow someone who cooks to mix it with only one or the
other but not both at the same time. The separations must be maintained at
all occasions for those people who want to keep Kosher. This can be
expensive as the "Kitchen" will be separated into two or three separate
instillations including all the equipment necessary to provide for the food
service of a home or institution. I have that experience first hand as my
mother was the "Mechgiach" Overseer  of Kashrut for the local conservative
synagogue. Kashrut is the rules of keeping kosher. Most products are marked
for kosher use such as a U with a circle around it as one example. If the
mark on the label for kosher defines it as "D" for Dairy or "M" for meat
they have some or all products that contain those symbols. Parve will be
spelled out since it is unique. See Kain and Able from whence the difference
occurs.
        As far as it goes the definition is still in the air as what is
"Kosher Honey" as the process and the Langstroth hive components are in
question. The Honey Extractor and the very frames of comb are still in
question. These operations would have to be under some sanctions. However
the very use of a queen excluder is in question as well. This is a maze
that, IMPOV, a systematic means to avoid the issue. Section honey is not
exempt either as the ,excuse the pun, wax foundation is under question as
well. There are some who will allow the complete thing to occur under
supervision and then there are some who will not consider it at all or so
far out in left field that they have been "Phobic" about the subject to
begin with. Finding a sanction is difficult and costly. The rest is correct
like Jenny Reed did illustrated in her contribution to the subject at hand.
      Honey Extractors are a real question mark as Jenny did mention "Wax
Press" this is the use of an ancient method to glean wax and honey. In most
Kosher options and views this is the only prescribed way of gleaning honey.
While I ,IMPOV, think that it is not a feasible means nor a hygienic method
it might just be demanded in areas that would "Certify as Kosher". Here I
must interject that an opinion is that of a Scholar(s) of Talmud and there
are many. (I hope this complies with this site since I am stating fact here
and not my own view.) Extractors and power knives and even the manual ones
are in deep question as well when they do not understand just how the
operation is preformed.
        The question however can expand if you really ask "Kosher Honey and
for which type of Kosher are you talking about as well?" I may interject
this by telling you that there is a single Holiday in Jewish calendar that
segregates Kosher as well. What we have here is entirely different
situation. The Holiday is Passover and requires that a separate set of
equipment that can only be used for the production of that particular
holiday. It is the only time were there is a complete and segregation of
equipment. This would go a little to far in the pocket book for anyone who
trying to run an enterprise unless you do have a sizeable amount of fall
honey and the cash to buy additional machinery. These are some of the facts
but I have to disagree with some of the other things that have to be placed
back and reconsidered.
        It would be nice to think that every thing is in place now to
understand all these rules but there is "more than one way to skin a cat" in
the contamination of the two main food groups. Trial by fire is one and can
be done to some degree by a "blow torch" on metal objects that come in
contact with (Food or Honey). Big Job there! But it is like re-casting the
whole equipment as new and that must be done under the supervision of a
"Rabbinical Inspector" who must be on the premises to see to it that it will
be done correctly. Soap and water method must then be preformed. If this is
just a little to deep for most it is meant to be just that. It's also called
"Commitment" as this is a requirement as well. This gets into some really
troublesome areas that I do not have the fully knowledge to convey at
present. It gets dicey here and you need an "Expert in Rabbinical Kashrut"
to define these methods so that they are in accordance with the "Laws of
Kashrut". Most of the Inspectors  have great knowledge of the process that
would be done and sanctions that would allow that person to "Certify" the
operation. Rabbinical Inspectors are well healed in the common laws of
sanitation as well as the ones that they are there to inspect or oversee. So
static and dynamic operational operations are looked upon as the same to
make it. The seal of approval is the symbol of the certification of the
organization.
        As it is in the honey business there are only two companies that
preform this beyond any question one is in Italy and another in Turkey.
There are many packers of late that do have the mark of "Kosher" on them but
the discriminating user will either agree and purchase or disagree and avoid
by not purchasing the product. What some packers are getting away with are
in great question as there own certification might be in question as without
an inspection is no more than "hearsay" and improper validation.  I hope
that I have aided in this discussion? The other products of the hive are
also under question here as well and the production of "Royal Jelly" should
be avoided as taboo. The Rabbinical Organizations that sanction these
symbols on labels are in trouble as much as the packer who pays them for it.
Kosher means "clean" but it should also mean "peace of mind" as well since
that is what the consumer is buying as well. That subject is controversial
in its own statement and that of the "Packers" who might just have a hard
time sleeping at nights. I might be a critic of the practices that are
overlooked, but then I'm as well as anyone else is  also a consumer as well.
Respectfully Submitted
Harvey Gussow
Tucson, Az.

ATOM RSS1 RSS2