My favorite story: A friend was nursing her baby in bed one night and it was raining outside. When the baby pulled off, a spray of milk hit her husband, who said, "The roof is leaking!" Jacie in beautiful, crisp Albuquerque, New Mexico ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:32:28 EST Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "Jan Barger RN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: vegemite: bf aid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I apologize if this comes through twice -- something got screwed up when I tried to send it to Arly as well as y'all, so.... << Arly says: << And I'll admit that secretly I think the >reason many Australian women have tons of milk is because their secret >ingredient is vegemite. I think Jan may be on to something here. At the least, salt helps our bodies store fluid, and vegemite is salty...When my beloved basset hound was suffering from a neurological disorder and refused to eat, I could stimulate his appetite with Marmite. There must be some Australian food research on Vegemite/Marmite. Maybe we should try it here... >> Let's see: I have in my hot little hands a jar of Vegemite and a jar of Marmite. (Just to let you all know we used to have a cat named Marmite. Also one named Sydney -- which I'm sure is of the utmost importance to you). Well, both are concentrated YEAST spreads. Vegemite says it is one of the world's richest known sources of Vitamin B. Marmite says the ingredients are yeast extract, salt, carrots, onions and spices. It says it is made from natural brewers yeast. Vegemite says the ingredients are yeast extract, salt, mineral salt, malt extract, vegetable extract, thiamine, riboflavin & niacin. According to my dear friends in Oz, Vegemite is made from the leavings at the bottom of the barrel after they make beer. Remember all the old information about beer increasing milk yield (I'm so old I remember all the bf moms getting beer for lunch & dinner on their trays in the hospital). The point was that it was the yeast that was supposed to improve milk supply -- and there was one study done that showed that beer did increase prolactin levels, whereas other alcoholic beverages did not. Of course, the study was done on men, not bf women, but that's another issue entirely. Could it be that the yeast/B vitamins in the Vegemite and Marmite DOES increase prolactin and actually DOES increase milk supply? The good part of yeasty beer without the nasty beer flavour!!! Whaddya all think? Jan -- who is NOT a beer drinker.... >> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:18:47 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "Linda J. Smith" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Spanish translator needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for an experienced Spanish translator to do some work on breastfeeding materials. Please contact me privately at [log in to unmask] Linda J. Smith, BSE, FACCE, IBCLC Bright Future Lactation Resource Centre Dayton, OH USA http://www.bflrc.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:29:28 EST Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "David A. Green" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Vit K shots Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/16/98 9:59:00 AM Central Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << How about the relationship between Vit. K shots and increased jaundice? Anyone have the studies that have shown this relationship? >> I have never seen the two, Vit. K & jaundice, linked together in any study; however, there has been some concern about Vit. K & risks of malignancy. Andrew MD [log in to unmask] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:38:27 EST Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "David A. Green" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: BM & circs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/16/98 9:59:00 AM Central Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: As we are all aware of the ongoing debate about "formula vs breastmilk", I was wondering what most LC's think about the "circumcision vs noncirc" debate. I would think that if you are an ardent supporter of breastfeeding as being the "natural" and best thing to do (which it is) then you would frown upon circumcisions as being not natural and such. I don't want to start an active debate on this topic on this list but I was wondering what most LC's think about circs. You know, artificial baby milk & genital mutilation vs breast milk & noncirc. Andrew MD [log in to unmask] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:42:09 EST Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "David A. Green" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: jaundice & BM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/16/98 9:59:00 AM Central Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << The babies were *not* breastfeeding. They were only pretending to breastfeed. >> Don't blame the babies, it was not their fault, eh? Perhaps the moms were "pretending" to breastfed. Also, I was not faulting breast milk per se regarding kernicterus but you can see how certain health care providers might make the "false" connection between the two especially when we have journal articles about breastfed babies being slower to respond to phototherapy. Is there some conspiracy going on here? <g> Andrew MD FAAP [log in to unmask] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:46:19 EST Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "David A. Green" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: tiny percentages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/16/98 9:59:00 AM Central Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << nursing infants get only a tiny percentage of any drug the mother takes, including alcohol. Jack >> Well, tiny babies can react to tiny percentages you know! <g> Tiny percentages are not studied in blinded controlled drug studies. When one is worried about SIDS and other things, the brush-off that this or that med might make them a "little" sleepy might not seem like a big deal but it might be! Plus, homeopathy is based on tiny percentages......oops, that is another story for a different time & place! :) Andrew MD [log in to unmask] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:46:37 EST Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "Helen M. Woodman" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Marmite in UK - Quite off Topic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The ingredient listing for a UK marmite bottle is slightly different, sure the contents are the same though. Yeast Extract, Salt, Vegetable Extract, Niacin, Thiamin, Spice Extracts, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin B12 Helen in UK, whose family could not live without Marmite or Bovril. We had to sneak a small bottle of Marmite into the US and Australia when the boys were little, just knew they would not be able to cope after a long day of sightseeing without nursery food of a soft boiled egg with marmite 'soldiers' for their supper before bed. No cafe ever turned us down to serve this for them, with me giving the soldiers a scraping of marmite - you can see we knew not to go to sophisticated eating places! I must say I was always terrified that Customs would find the small jar and confiscate it. Helen Woodman ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:59:17 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Kathleen Bruce <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Predisone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi there. I suggest that you search the archives for information on prednisone and breastfeeding. To do so, you do a Search Prednisone in Lactnet to [log in to unmask] address. Additionally, this information is in Hale's book, and in Auerbach and Riordan, among other popular and accurate references. Many thanks for using the archives, as this is a wealth of information at our fingertips. Kathleen Kathleen B. Bruce, BSN, IBCLC co-owner Lactnet,TLC, Indep. Consultant Williston, Vermont, where daylight is almost gone by 4 pm.... mailto:[log in to unmask] Check these pages out... http://together.net/~kbruce/proj.html http://together.net/~kbruce/answers.htm LACTNET Archives http://library.ummed.edu/lsv/archives/lactnet.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:23:13 -0700 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Linda Pohl <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: BF on the radio In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Theresa She was talking about someone's hair-brained idea that showing Sacagawea with her child might offend some. For our foreign list members, the US mint is trying to put together a design for another coin dollar and has decided to take a vote on what should be on the coin. Sacagawea was a young Shoshone woman who helped in the Lewis and Clark expedition to discover the western US. While on the trip, she had a baby and continued anyway. Oh, and I am sure she didn't bring along a cow for milk. If you'd like to see the designs you can find them at http://www.usmint.gov/dollarcoin/finalist_home.cfm. Linda Pohl, IBCLC Phoenix AZ -----Original Message----- From: Lactation Information and Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of teresa or jeff glenn Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:40 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: BF on the radio Speaking of breastfeeding on the radio, did any American listeners hear Dr. Laura yesterday? I caught the tail end of a call that sounded to me to be about breastfeeding in public. She talked about how society is warped to tell women not to do XXX (I assumed it was breastfeeding in the context of the comments) so as ot to offend other women who don't do XXX. She said, "We're punishing women for nurturing their babies the way the'yre supposed to. Well, we're worried about offending the wrong damn people." Was I right in assuming this was about breastfeeding, as it seemed to be? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:20:09 EST Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "- Miriam Levitt RN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: phenergan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Regarding the discussion of compazine. Just my personal experience, but phenergan worked much better for me than compazine or inapsine for post-op nausea. If it's a little safer, why not try it first? Miriam Levitt ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:34:49 EST Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "David A. Green" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Mother's info on breastfeeding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "Who taught you what and when to feed your baby?" is a common question that is used in pediatric nutrition studies including breastfeeding. Usually the answers are their own mom, an older aunt, an older sister, or a neighbor as the primary source. Geez, I just love those "my neighbor told me...." responses! <g> As you can see, the primary source does not include LC, nurse, dietician, physician, baby book or whatever. I was wondering if any LC knows of any recent study showing that LC's and/or others are having an impact on bridging this serious gap in pediatric nutrition counseling? TIA Andrew MD FAAP [log in to unmask] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:37:24 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: newman <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Andrew's accent Comments: To: [log in to unmask] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, Pat, I'll bite. How can you tell someone's accent by email? By the way, you are way off. Jack Newman, MD, FRCPC ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:40:11 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: newman <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Maisels' jaundice study Comments: To: [log in to unmask] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maisels MJ, Newman TB. Kernicterus in otherwise healthy, breastfed term newborns. Pediatrics 1995;96:730-733 These were not otherwise healthy newborns, because they were not getting milk. For someone of Maisels, and Newman's (not me) status not to understand this, undermines, in my opinion, much about what they say about jaundice, at least in relation to breastfeeding. Jack Newman, MD, FRCPC ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:48:15 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: newman <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: The Bottle Graphic Has Been Changed! Comments: To: Robert Ginsberg <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Ms. Sklar, I am sorry that you have taken the complaints about your bottle graphic so poorly and so irritably. You have done the right thing by taking it off. But you didn't answer my question. Would you have complained to me, if in a website I showed a mother breastfeeding her baby in the car (not in a car seat), with the title "You can breastfeed anywhere."? Tell the truth, would you not be irritated? Might not you write a letter? Well those of us who are interested in breastfeeding find that one of our biggest problems is getting around a bottle feeding mentality which is prevalent in North America. It is this bottle feeding mentality which makes education of pregnant women and new mothers so difficult. And physicians and nurses for that matter. "You can't breastfeed an infant if that infant dies needlessly". Cheap shot. Jack Newman, MD, FRCPC ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:09:57 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: newman <[log in to unmask]> Subject: vitamin K Comments: To: [log in to unmask] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, the relationship between high bilirubin and *large* doses of vitamin K is in all the books, but it seems to be one of those "facts" that has been repeated and repeated over the years until everyone believes it. Like "breastfeeding takes more energy than bottle feeding". Jack Newman, MD, FRCPC ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:49:54 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Cathy Bargar <[log in to unmask]> Subject: find address MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit scan lactnet Jane Pilgrm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:40:09 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Kathleen Bruce <[log in to unmask]> Subject: circumcision Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Andrew, You will see from the archives....that circumcision has been discussed here at more length than we would wish at times. For LCs opinions, I suggest that you do a Search Circumcision in Lactnet to [log in to unmask] This will get you the information you want, and we can go on without starting up the great circumcision debate, which is something we don't need to do, as you point out. Of course, anyone is welcome to discuss this in length via private email. Kind regards, Kathloeen Kathleen B. Bruce, BSN, IBCLC co-owner Lactnet,TLC, Indep. Consultant Williston, Vermont, where daylight is almost gone by 4 pm.... mailto:[log in to unmask] Check these pages out... http://together.net/~kbruce/proj.html http://together.net/~kbruce/answers.htm LACTNET Archives http://library.ummed.edu/lsv/archives/lactnet.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:01:50 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: newman <[log in to unmask]> Subject: prednisone Comments: To: [log in to unmask] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, prednisone is one of the drugs which is not necessarily okay during breastfeeding just because it is okay during pregnancy. That is because it apparently does *not* cross the placenta. However, prednisone is generally safe during lactation because only very small amounts get into the milk. Hardly a concern for the baby. If you look in Hale, he states that data suggest that when a mother is taking 120 mg of prednisone/day the baby would be getting about 47 micrograms/day. Doses of 80 mg/day in mothers produce insignificant absorption infants (<0.1% of dose). By the way, I would guess your patient is on 30 mg, not 3 mg/day. Jack Newman, MD, FRCPC ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:38:41 -0600 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Jeanne Mitchell <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Cow's Milk again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Is milk from other species detrimental to older children or adults or is it > just another food chice like steak [cow protein] or eggs[ chook protein] or > soya bean [soy protein] etc, etc. Well said, Dr. Kim. Thank you for giving us some perspective. -- Jeanne Mitchell, Austin, TX, enjoying holiday cheeses and eggnog. http://www.flash.net/~xanth/home.htm mailto:[log in to unmask] "You can tell the quality of a person by how they treat people they don't need." My Dad ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:34:05 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: NECSI <[log in to unmask]> Subject: BF and circumcision Comments: To: "David A. Green" <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" This topic has come up several times and has been discussed at some length on lactnet over the last few year. I'm sure if you look under the appropriate key words you'll come up with plenty. Naomi Bar-Yam