Good comments, Jay, on Jon's comments--they don't sound "soapboxy" to me, but logical. I remember someone somewhere asking why doctors worry so much about making mothers feel guilty about choosing not to breastfeed when they are unlikely to hedge, beat around the bush, not provide all the horror stories and worry about causing guilt when trying to convince a patient to quit smoking. Leslie Ayre-Jaschke Peace River, Alberta, Canada Leslie Ayre-Jaschke, BEd, IBCLC Peace River Breastfeeding Clinic, Peace River AB Canada e-mail <[log in to unmask]>