Judy, in La-La Land: Finally, we see why we have been drawn to each other, kid. I left Illinois at 22 to marry a young man from a mayan village in Yucatan,Mx. and have lived 22 years here...exactly half my life since I was 44 in Feb. I, too, have a lot a trouble relating to some of the tech. stuff, and psychological schleppy stuff that is sloshed around on Lactnet since I don't have much of a point of reference. Just to give you a couple of cultural examples: 1) I go home for a visit to the U.S. with my infant son in the late 70's and everyone and his brother are saying, "Pig out". ??????? What the heck, say I, does "pig out" mean? 2) Another visit 'home' in the 80's (not feeling much like home at this point) and the entire U.S. population is saying: "Go for it!" And I humbly inquire, "Go for what?" duh. 3) The latest of these U.S.-isms is a combination of raising your arms in the air and saying with great exhuberance: "Yes!" I, too, feel that it borders on the ludicrous to express your milk so daddy can bottle feed his child when milk production is the exclusive biological job of the female of the species....after all, there ARE other things the father can do with the child, and certainly refreshing (opps, My hot tropicl climite is showing) the baby with a wonderful bath, or making the child comfortable with nice clean diapers are wonderful and essential parts of childcare that the father can enjoy. If the father was mean to BF he would have come equipped with alveoli, functioning nipples and all the rest. Or am I off base? Roberta NOTE: I am NOMAIL, so if anyone wants to make a comment to me personally please note that I'll be checking my e-mail until July 10. Thanks