Wendy, Nice techniques, and strategies to increase milk transfer and thanks for sharing. I think we have an overwhelming consensus about what works..... :-) I especially like that you note that the mother needs to be well supported so that she doesn't have to expend energy lifting the baby to the right height. Marsha, thanks for your further input and explanations and refs. What you describe is what I see! And Jean, Yes!!! Actually, maybe breast compression _during_ sucking, and alternate massage (compression between sucking bursts) are equally effective? It would be interesting to research it, but maybe other factors are more urgent right now... Pamela Morrison IBCLC Rustington, England --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome