This story rings so many alarm bells.....here, we would be obliged to regard this as a child protection issue , and our volunteer counsellors would be obliged to alert the mother's HCP of everything in your post, telling the mother they were doing so, and to do so straight away. Heather Welford Neil NCT bfc, tutor, UK -- *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome