Hi Kathleen, Sounds like this mom has been through a lot. I had a mom with a similar experience with baby #1 and she contacted me with baby #2 (similiar symptoms). What I did with her is use ice packs on her breasts for 3-5 minutes before she fed. She was engorged and her milk would not flow. After she iced her milk flowed and flowed. It may be well worth a try. Jannette RN IBCLC *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome