Liz, thank you so much!! Great post...I'm going to keep it for further reference. One thing you noted: <<Jan, look at the very bottom of the IBLCE page at _http://americas.iblce.org/what-are-cerps_ (http://americas.iblce.org/what-are-cerps) ; that has a little summary note about CERPs not going to commercial entities that sell Lactation-related Stuff. See p. 3 and p. 9, in particular, of the IBLCE CERPs Provider Packet, _http://americas.iblce.org/upload/CERPsProviderPacket-2010.pdf_ (http://americas.iblce.org/upload/CERPsProviderPacket-2010.pdf) . If you visit the international portion of the IBLCE site, you will see their BOD Exectuive Summaries of March and Sept 2009 discuss a Task Force created to review awarding of CERPS. I thought IBLCE issued a statement, too, but I can't seem to dig that up on the their website now; perhaps it has been removed. I am similarly stumped: what the heck *is* a "commercial entity?" I suspect -- merely suspect -- they are trying to describe the medical-device and pharmaceutical manufacturers who have been the object of recent scrutiny by the ethics arms of various medical and health care societies ... but you'll have to ask IBLCE what they mean by that one to know for sure. Now ya'll know why Lawyer Liz is constantly yapping about the importance of definitions in documents or policies which we are honor- or duty-bound to follow. It makes a big honking difference.>> I went to the website, and this is what it says: <<programs organized by individuals or companies that manufacture, market or distribute products that are in any way related to breastfeeding and/or infant and young child feeding, nutrition and care, including products within the scope of the WHO International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes (e.g. infant formula, bottles or teats) or programs where these company or company personnel had input into the choice of speakers or the content of the presentations>> So, I'm thinking....BOOKS. Definitely related to breastfeeding. Now, part of me is quite positive that books do not come under their definition -- otoh, they are "products" that are related to breastfeeding and/or infant & young child feeding. So -- does that preclude ILCA? LLLI? Hale & Hartmann? Jones & Bartlett -- should they ever want to put on a conference? So, Ms. Lawyer Liz -- what do you think? Would you classify BOOKS/literature/information as a "product?" Could, in fact, the Gooeypaste Nipple Cream company come after IBLCE and say -- hey -- you let ILCA provide CERPS AND they not only have input into the conference, but they choose the speakers AND they market ISMs that they write and books and literature and...and...and... -- all products related to breastfeeding!! Same w/ LLLI, or with almost any of the individuals that provide lactation education via programs, courses, or conferences.... I'm with you on the definitions....it needs to be spelled out. Jan Barger, RN, MA, IBCLC, FILCA Lactation Education Consultants. *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome