You are so right! Actually, I learned how to do it in the least stressful way possible for the baby - during the deep sleep that occurs after a good nursing - but at the time (1980's) we were told it was NOT a good idea to do a painful procedure while the baby was at the breast for fear they would connect being breastfed with pain. Now research disproves it. Jeanette Panchula California, USA *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome