Some may wonder why this discussion is necessary - is it nit-picking? Is it examining too closely? In the childbirth arena, many women claim to have had "natural births" because the baby came out the vagina, as opposed to an incision in the abdomen. They may have been exposed medications, analgesics, pressure on the head, all sorts of things that change their body, the flora in the body, and affected their ability to cope with the outside world. And why does this matter? Because when these babies come to us, with whatever issue they are having, and the mother states she had a "natural birth" it should mean a natural birth. Instead, it means a quest to drag out information: did you have an epidural? Did you have an IV with antibiotics? Did you have vacuum extraction? Forceps? Finding out the definition means better assistance with whatever is happening! Best wishes, Sam Doak We're going to Candy Mountain, Charlie! *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome