Hi Ya'll We are told in books that the "average weight gain" should be 4- 8 ounces a week...do those averages include all kinds of dyads...even ones with undiagnosed problems...wouldn't that bring the average down? We are told some mothers have rapid and copious onset of lactogenesis and then down regulate, while others have slow onset and then up regulate... in my humble opinion the second pattern means there is something getting in the way of the permissive state and when I see it happening I try to address it... We are told in books that babies need 2-2.5 ounces per pound of body weight a day... but for how long...exactly when does the baby's growth rate slow down and his efficiency of use of calories go up so that we should no longer expect that... So I do use numbers but I am not a slave to them, but one can go to the opposite extreme and ignore them too much too... When I see a baby who has gained 5 ounces a week or under in the first two weeks I almost always find something else going on like... delayed onset or slow onset poor milk transfer or poor management... Do I see exceptions? Yep! But very rarely... If I see a mom where this has happened in the first two weeks I look very very hard before I decide the baby is small due to genes... When nothing has prevented the mother from entering the permissive state right after birth and the latch is good and the management is good babies will gain above average the first two weeks because when there is nothing getting in the way of mothers entering the permissive state they will have an oversupply at first and then down regulate...and then after mom has down regulated I don't have the expectation that under 7 ounces a week means there is a problem... Just recently I had a mom come to me after 6 months of undiagnosed milk supply problems. The baby wasn't fussy so the doctor told mom not to worry the baby was just genetically small... When the baby was finally below the 5th percentile he referred her to me. I spent the day with mom and baby. The baby had a pacifier in her mouth all day. I sent the mom home with a milk intake scale. Mom had a way low supply. Another mother was referred to me with a slow gaining baby. Spent the day with mom and baby. Mom wore the baby and nursed a lot. Baby spit up a lot, not a lot of volume at any one time, just a little but pretty frequently. The spit up didn't look like a lot to me and I would have thought nothing of it if the baby had been fat but I had nothing else to go on. So I spent the following day doing milk intake assessments with every feed and post spit-up weights to account for the loss. Baby was a slow gainer from reflux. Now I know to look for silent reflux in the slow gaining baby. I was lucky I could see that baby spit up. Sometimes you can't see it. Some babies with silent reflux go to breast frequently but don't suck vigorously enough and underfeed as a coping mechanism for their reflux. These are only my opinions so I will look forward to reading everybody else's responses but let them have the last word on weight gain! Jen O'Quinn IBCLC *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome