Nikki, It's interesting that you comment on the "baby's point of view". When I visit a mom in her hospital room I often say I'm here to speak for the baby. I help them to understand the transition the baby goes through. I explain to them the baby has 4 constants in her womb. It's dark, it's warm, it's constantly being fed and it can hear her heart beat. Then the baby is born and it's bright, it's cool, it can't hear her heartbeat and it's food source is gone. I tell them they can help make the baby's transition easier: dim the lights, put the baby S2S (warmth and heartbeat) and feed the baby at breast. I love that you ask the mother if she is sore and if the baby is that breastfeeding reduces the baby's pain. I'm adding that part in! Ilene Fabisch, IBCLC, RLC Listmom wicbfnet, MLCANET and MMBNE Brockton, MA Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:02:39 EST From: Nikki Lee <[log in to unmask]> Subject: transition to breast and baby's point of view Some women (not all, unfortunately) have responded well to some consideration of the baby's point of view. There are 2 elements of the baby's point of view. In utero, the baby is fed 1440 minutes a day. Once the baby is born, research identifies that babies breastfeed about 2-3 hours (140-180 minutes) out of 24. That is quite a difference to the baby.......from continual feeds to intermittent feeds. Another point that has been well received is for women to understand that babies nurse for many, many reasons: food, drink, love, medicine, pain relief, pleasure, comfort, and custom. The breast is everything to a newborn: security and life. Sometimes asking a mother if she is sore anywhere after labor yields a hearty "YES!"......then new mothers can readily imagine that their baby might be sore too, especially if birth technology or circumcision has hurt the baby. Sometimes, when a new mother realizes that holding her baby s2s and breastfeeding reduces pain for the baby, she becomes more interested and likely to do it. *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome