thanks for the info on the mom with insufficient breat tissue. I am a relatively new IBCLC and that gives me hope to keep trying with those moms that I think it wiill never happen... on the tongue tie issue, I have a friend, the baby had a tongue tie, she had low milk supply we sent her to an ENT who supposedly clips ties, he said oh its not a bad one so he left it alone... never did get a full milk supply, she got postpartum depression too. this is how most moms get treated and it is sad. *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome