I agree with Liz that what works for some obviously wont work for others. For example, the psuedoinverted nipples tend to "go in, or at least flatten" with the sandwhiching technique. But that's not really what I want to comment on. I want to comment on the "C" hold versus the "U" hold. Someone was describing how to correctly sandwhich the breast when the baby was eating on the right breast. I am assuming they were talking about cross-cradle hold, as I would amagine they would have stated football. She described that the moms fingers would be "under" the breast with her thumb on the "top" of the breast. If the baby is in cross-cradle hold, his lips are at the 12:00/6:00 position, and mom would be incorrectly sandwhiching her breast if doing the "C" hold. Think of the hamburger illustration: when we "sandwhich" the handburger, are fingers are parallel to our lips. So, I instruct moms that they need to "sandwhich" their breasts so that their fingers are parallel to the babies lips. If the baby is nursing on the right breast in CCH, his lips are going up and down, and she would need to grasp underneath the breast, her fingers towards her sternum and her thumb on the outer aspect of her breast. That is the "U" hold. Most moms that I see are doing the "C" hold, which is truely only correct if the baby is coming up underneath the breast. (which I never teach, because we dont want the babies chin on his chest while eating, and it is hard not to do that in this position.) Linda Hill RN, IBCLC Austin,TX _____ <http://promos.hotbar.com/promos/promodll.dll?RunPromo&El=&SG=sg984&RAND=540 99&partner=spamblockerutility> Upgrade Your Email - Click here! *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html Mail all commands to [log in to unmask] To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or [log in to unmask]) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet or ([log in to unmask]) To reach list owners: [log in to unmask]