Susan and Gonneke and all: Susan Burger <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Gonneke always raises points that get my brain working. So, I've been contemplating the statement "The baby is more efficient than the pump". We've all quoted it, even those of us who have found that the pump can often be more "efficient" at removing milk. Jumping in late, but one thing we can do, can say is that what baby's do, when their capabilities and skills are in place, is say they are much more "sophisticated" as well as "subtle" in their ability to get themselves nurtured. I like using those words because I hope they remind or refocus the mom on how amazing babies are, and should be, and how their signals are true but need reading. Pumps may be efficient, but they do one thing, remove some milk - this is a good thingwhen baby can't, but it is not near what happens when a baby is nursing well, or even not so well - a whole array of good things happen between the baby and the mom. The nursing dyad is quite amazing in a way machines can never be. Peace, Judy Judy LeVan Fram, PT, IBCLC, LLLL Brooklyn, NY, USA *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(R) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html