I have been following the posting on soreness and the hydrogel study and I have to agree with all of you. Sorry to sound like a politician. Anyway, I would assume the Dodd/Chalmers study was done about 2001-2002. Is that right? That was about the time we were learning about the asymmetrical latch. At least that was when I heard Dr Jack Newman lecturing on it at a WALC conference. If the LCs in the study weren't up on using the asymmetrical latch we did have lots of soreness. Now with the new latch aren't you finding a lot less complaints of soreness? Last week I was going through an older LLL handout on breastfeeding and it says to "tickle the middle of the baby's lower lip". Nothing about bringing the chin to the breast and nipple against the upper lip so it can "just flip in". Why didn't we know that before? Years ago was breastfeeding positioning taught to us by formula companies? Would have to check out those older pamphlets. Mary Ann RN, IBCLC from central WI This electronic message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this message/documents without the consent of the sender is prohibited. *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(R) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html