I also agree that the Ezzo method is definitely a setup for a baby to withdraw. However, with all the other things this LLLleader from Chile presented, I do think there is something more than lack of stimulation going on. Hagan was breastfed, snuggled, slanged, basically never put down and in constant skin to skin contact from second one after her homebirth. Still, no feeding cues. She also would look "hypnotized" when staring at us. She was true FTT and we waited longer than we should have to have the G-tube surgery. She gained weight well temporarily but even with more than enough calories now, she loses some months. There is something inherently different about her DNA. What? That is yet to be determined. To the average eye, she was a normal baby. To the trained geneticist, her facial features were different from the rest of the family. We also saw a whole host of specialists who could not determine a problem before being referred to a geneticist. Having been devoted, attachment parenting people with our first two children, my husband and I were determined to give Hagan the same leg up (breast up) in life. Still, at times we found ourselves going through the motions. No matter how much touch and stimulation we provided we were getting little back (I am sure she was getting a lot out of our efforts but it was really hard to see...no feedback). I often found myself forcing the cutsy voice and cuddly behavior. It was quite a one way street back then. This mother initiated breastfeeding and has reached out for help so it is hard for me to believe she is totally unattached to her baby. Still, if she has received little feedback from the baby, she very well may be withdrawing. This is the time when breastfeeding, even attempts to have the baby close to the breast, are essential. Again, I think a geneticist will be able to lead this mother in the right direction. I also agree that this baby needs more food and tube feeding may be the best option at this point. I highly recommend that this baby be offered the breast during any tube feeds and hopefully the mother will have a strong advocate for breast milk on her side so b.m can be the #1 choice of nutrition in the tube also. It can be a long process and, as Pat suggested, the mother would benefit from close following by an OT or SLP who specializes in feeding issues. The sooner something is done the better the outcome. The mother may be slowly and unknowingly shutting down as well. Heather Dana *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(R) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html