Happy Thanksgiving to those celebrating this holiday. My experience with cabbage leaves is that it is not merely a psychological response. I have even had my more skeptical moms use it on only one breast (I have many engineers and health care professionals in my past and present patients); they were and are astounded at the results. There was a company several years back that tried to isolate the components of the cabbage that was responsible for the reduction in swelling/edema/interstitial fluid but was unsuccessful so instead they just used the entire leaf in their product. This product was then marketed to LCs to be used for moms wanted to dry up and for engorged moms. I don't remember the name of the product because I grow my own organic cabbage and give it to moms for free so that I know exactly what is going into the cabbage (including the well heated compost used to fertilize it). If someone knows the name of the company, I bet they have a very long bibliography to give you. Many have scoffed at cabbage leaves...all I know is that they work. I have a doctorate from a top notch institution (UCLA) and completed a Pew-Memorial Trust Health Policy post-doc in evidence-based outcomes health services research so I am well aware of the need to back up our practice with research, but at 2am when a mom is in pain and a baby can't latch on because of a series of lactation mismanagement errors...I'll reach for those cabbage leaves without a long list of references any day! -- May Autumn Leaves Print Peace in Your Soul, Chris mom, wife, active UU church member, educator, lactation consultant, homeschool mom, researcher, scientist, author, organic gardener/herbalist/homeopath/healer, photographer, wilderness adventurer, lapidary & bead creator, knitter, wildly creative cook, 4-H Leader, and VERY lousy cleaner;) Chris Hafner-Eaton, PhD, MPH, CHES, IBCLC Perinatal Health Education, Lactation Consulting, Natural Self-Health and Attachment Parenting Classes 541-753-7340 [log in to unmask] *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html