Winnie, Thank you for sharing with us this fine way of educating new moms AND hcp's as well. I often notice that, although in their pre-educating comments hcp's I am to train ask for science, facts and thelike, they give the most positive feedback on anecdotical examples and comparisons like yours. I think I'll quote this one often in future classes when discussing feeding on request (as we in Dutch call demand-feeding) and infant feeding cues. Gonneke van Veldhuizen, IBCLC, Maaseik, Belgium - one who gives birth is partly mother, one who nurses is fully mother - Jacob Cats, 17th century By the way, this quotatation of an ancient Dutch poetrist is not meant to offend all those mothers who wanted to nurse their children, but had, for circumstances sake, to nourish and nurture them otherwise and did do a good job doing so. I do appologize if I unintendedly did harm anyones feelings. GvV *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html